Originally Posted by AAFA
(Post 18542522)
Let me preface this by saying I love American Airlines and what it has always stood for until the last decade. I hate our management team and board of directors. They've managed to take a jewel and turn it into a dirty rhinestone. We were Saks and we are now Big Lots Air.
Let me preface this by saying I love American Airlines and what it has always stood for until the last decade. I hate THE CURRENT management team and board of directors. They've managed to take a jewel and turn it into a dirty rhinestone. IT WAS Saks and IT IS now Big Lots Air. All due to waiting 5 extra years go to go BK. If they had done it in 2005 and again as and when needed as Doug Parker did, most of the assets would be still there, PBGC would be out after the 2nd BK and there would be a competitive cost advantage to this airline. |
Originally Posted by ffI
(Post 18546459)
All due to waiting 5 extra years go to go BK. If they had done it in 2005 and again as and when needed as Doug Parker did, most of the assets would be still there, PBGC would be out after the 2nd BK and there would be a competitive cost advantage to this airline.
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Originally Posted by nall
(Post 18543703)
I too had this discussion with one FA recently, and she didn't seem to be aware of the situation at US.
Here is a big problem with that. In having second thoughts, they've weakened their position with AA even more. I honestly think this was Parkers agenda going in. He wanted to weaken their position with AA so he could swoop in knowing he couldn't do what he promised because he has union messes of his own. Now AA workers are in a weakened vulnerable position because they acted in haste. |
Originally Posted by ffI
(Post 18546459)
All due to waiting 5 extra years go to go BK. If they had done it in 2005 and again as and when needed as Doug Parker did, most of the assets would be still there, PBGC would be out after the 2nd BK and there would be a competitive cost advantage to this airline.
For example, in 2011, AA's jet fuel costs increased more than $2 Billion over 2010, resulting in a 30%+ increase year-over-year. If AA had paid in 2011 for fuel as it did in 2010, AA would have been profitable just like the other legacy carriers who used bankruptcy to achieve its balance sheet success. I understand the employees frustration. However, rather than just taking what AA's unions leadsership is telling them, if it was me, I would do my own research. You can easily begin with AA's 10K report which must be filed with the SEC each year. |
American Airlines union begins voting on contract offer
American Airlines union begins voting on contract offer
What does this means? If their vote result is Yes, they are backing out their support for US Airways takeover plan? or they can vote for Yes but still support US Airways takeover plan? |
Originally Posted by lyiu18
(Post 18548146)
American Airlines union begins voting on contract offer
What does this means? If their vote result is Yes, they are backing out their support for US Airways takeover plan? or they can vote for Yes but still support US Airways takeover plan? "American Airlines' bright outlook: 1Q yield grows as international flights & product to be enhanced" http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...enhanced-73496 |
Originally Posted by lyiu18
(Post 18548146)
American Airlines union begins voting on contract offer
What does this means? If their vote result is Yes, they are backing out their support for US Airways takeover plan? or they can vote for Yes but still support US Airways takeover plan? AA has filed a motion to reject its labor agreements under section 1113 and one prerequisite to abrogation of those agreements is that the debtor and the union negotiated in an attempt to modify the agreement. This vote is to approve or reject AA's LBO to the union. If the TWU members accept the LBO, then those terms control their contract going forward. If they vote to reject the LBO, then the court may approve AA's plan to impose its terms on the employees. |
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Please note that the AA Forum Moderator team has now created a new thread specifically for discussions of AA labor contracts:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...es-2012-a.html While we expect that there may be a certain degree of topical overlap here, we ask that all members make their best efforts to continue restricting discussions here to the specific issues pertaining to a US Airways / AMR merger. /Moderator |
Originally Posted by chicaloca453
(Post 18547704)
IMO that's a big part of the problem here. The AA Unions went into this US endorsement without being fully educated about the issues at the other airline. On Celebrity Apprentice the other night Arsenio Hall when asked if he'd trade his teammate for another on the opposing team smartly said "No sir. I'd rather go with the devil I know than the one I don't." AA workers decided to go with the devil they don't, and they're starting to get to know him and are having second thoughts.
Here is a big problem with that. In having second thoughts, they've weakened their position with AA even more. I honestly think this was Parkers agenda going in. He wanted to weaken their position with AA so he could swoop in knowing he couldn't do what he promised because he has union messes of his own. Now AA workers are in a weakened vulnerable position because they acted in haste. |
Originally Posted by romadaro
(Post 18550287)
Second thoughts? Maybe, but I doubt it when the devil they knew backed them into a corner and left them no choice. Ever heard the expression "desperate times call for desperate measures?" That's the state of American Airlines right now and each and every employee is simply trying to save their individual butt and come out of this thing still employed. If that means jumping ship and going with the devil they don't, then so be it! When AA says they want to cut 13,000 jobs and US says come to our side and we can save at least half of those, which way would you go?!
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Originally Posted by LAXJFKesq
(Post 18510654)
it still does not change the fact that AA/Horton is in complete control of AMR/AA.
... So Parker is just like a little child yelling/screaming because the adults will not let the child play in their sandbox. He can kick up all the sand he likes but he is completely on the outside looking in and will be at least through the end of September. |
I hope that AA is able to stay as a stand-alone. Always been my favorite airline since I was a kid. Have not been impressed with US (America West) over the years.
IF (big IF) US and AA were to merge, is it likely that the frequent flyer miles would also merge into a single account? |
Originally Posted by Travel22
(Post 18557975)
IF (big IF) US and AA were to merge, is it likely that the frequent flyer miles would also merge into a single account?
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Originally Posted by elitetraveler
(Post 18557898)
LOL :D:rolleyes:
Also, you continue to demonstrate that you do not have any" understanding of US Code especially Title 11, Chapter 11 Subchapter 1113. While that is understandable as the 1113 process is very complex, you continue to state facts that are not germane to the process. |
Originally Posted by LAXJFKesq
(Post 18558661)
If you disagree then please inform us who is in control of AA? The court is not running the company.
Also, you continue to demonstrate that you do not have any" understanding of US Code especially Title 11, Chapter 11 Subchapter 1113. While that is understandable as the 1113 process is very complex, you continue to state facts that are not germane to the process. |
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