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Originally Posted by 787fan
(Post 20240917)
Whatever AA's strategy is in Asia, "aggressive" is definitely not one of them. :confused: Not counting NRT, I can count exactly 4 TPAC routes on AA metal (you know, the ones I could actually use a systemwide upgrade on).
2 from ORD, 1 from LAX, 1 from DFW, and none from JFK or MIA. So far AA's strategy with many of their JV partners has simply been more hub-to-hub. New long-haul hub-to-spoke growth has been somewhat unimpressive. ORD-NRT, ORD-PVG, ORD-PEK=3 LAX-NRT, LAX-PVG=2 DFW-NRT, DFW-ICN=2 JFK-HND=1 My math gives me 8 TPAC routes on AA metal to use EVIP's on. |
Originally Posted by TheAAdmiral
(Post 20240965)
How did you come to these numbers?
ORD-NRT, ORD-PVG, ORD-PEK=3 LAX-NRT, LAX-PVG=2 DFW-NRT, DFW-ICN=2 JFK-HND=1 My math gives me 8 TPAC routes on AA metal to use EVIP's on. |
Originally Posted by 787fan
(Post 20240917)
Whatever AA's strategy is in Asia, "aggressive" is definitely not one of them. :confused: Not counting NRT, I can count exactly 4 TPAC routes on AA metal (you know, the ones I could actually use a systemwide upgrade on).
2 from ORD, 1 from LAX, 1 from DFW, and none from JFK or MIA. So far AA's strategy with many of their JV partners has simply been more hub-to-hub. New long-haul hub-to-spoke growth has been somewhat unimpressive. |
Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 20235446)
Star has been taking a beating over the past couple of years. With a BK exit and the soon-to-be announced departures of US/JJ(/and likely TP) for OW. Despite having more airlines in their alliance, I cannot think of a single reason why Star would still be better than OW. I guess, maybe if you are going to China or Mongolia. That aside, there are some major holes in the Star route map. IMHO, OW acquisitions now represent quality over quantity. This seems to be lacking at the other two alliances, which will take just about anyone.
US wasn't any crown jewel within Star to begin with, so losing it wasn't a really big deal. And bringing in Sri Lankan isn't going to help much either (that's assuming the hub airport is safe from the separatist militants). |
Originally Posted by 787fan
(Post 20241103)
Star is only weak in South America (specifically, deep South America). But at least they have some presence via Avianca-Taca. Oneworld ? Zero carriers in the whole continent of Africa.
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 20241123)
While anything can happen I say 99.5% this deal is done. An announcement should likely be made after the market closes. Also, remember that a Plan of Reorganization still needs to be filed with the Court, sent to creditors for a vote and then approved by the Judge. There certainly is the risk of certain creditors trying to hold it up although if there is general consensus among most creditors the Judge would likely just overrule any objection.
It probably won't be until late spring or summer until the deal is actually done. It will take another several months before changes to take effect that would impact FFs. |
Originally Posted by TheAAdmiral
(Post 20240965)
How did you come to those numbers?
ORD-NRT, ORD-PVG, ORD-PEK=3 LAX-NRT, LAX-PVG=2 DFW-NRT, DFW-ICN=2 JFK-HND=1 My math gives me 8 TPAC routes on AA metal to use EVIP's on. |
Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 20241123)
While anything can happen I say 99.5% this deal is done. An announcement should likely be made after the market closes. Also, remember that a Plan of Reorganization still needs to be filed with the Court, sent to creditors for a vote and then approved by the Judge. There certainly is the risk of certain creditors trying to hold it up although if there is general consensus among most creditors the Judge would likely just overrule any objection.
It probably won't be until late spring or summer until the deal is actually done. It will take another several months before changes to take effect that would impact FFs. That said if turns out to be true the boards approved ( which i expect is), i dont foresee any major roadblocks to being finalized. Parker did a great job of getting the creditors on board ( much to Horton's dislike) so shouldn't be any major issues there. Judge will just sign off on it. Say what you will about Parker, well played well played. |
Originally Posted by sts603
(Post 20241112)
But between BA, QR and IB you have substantial service to Africa which is what people need far more than intra-Africa service. Frankly, other than SAA, there aren't too many African carriers I want to fly.
If we're counting partners, I don't think BA+QR+IB can beat the access that SN+LH+TK gives. |
Originally Posted by grahampros
(Post 20241160)
Probably at least a year before we start seeing changes to the FF program. 6 months probably before the deal is approved by all parties including regulators then changes will take some time to implement so realistically probably about a year. Dont expect to use US miles on AA this summer.
That said if turns out to be true the boards approved ( which i expect is), i dont foresee any major roadblocks to being finalized. Parker did a great job of getting the creditors on board ( much to Horton's dislike) so shouldn't be any major issues there. Judge will just sign off on it. Say what you will about Parker, well played well played. |
Originally Posted by 787fan
(Post 20241167)
If not for their political unrest, Egyptian is acceptable.
If we're counting partners, I don't think BA+QR+IB can beat the access that SN+LH+TK gives. |
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