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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 17952298)
In a Chapter 11 filing essentially creditors seize control of the company. Any strategic moves need to be approved first by the creditors' committee and then the Court. If US (or anyother potential acquirer) makes a compeling deal to the creditors Horton won't be able to stop it.
That Arizona water might start smelling like swamp water to AA management. Possibly AA's management could replace some of US's management. The America West - US merger did not go smoothly. |
Originally Posted by elitetraveler
(Post 17951587)
If you took out AA's LHR ops I wonder how their European network/revenue/RPMs would look?
AA metal: 37 Europe flights, 26 routes, 13 cities in Europe JFK-LHR 4x JFK-CDG 2x JFK-MAN 1x JFK-BRU 1x JFK-ZRH 1x JFK-MXP 1x JFK-FCO 1x JFK-BCN 1x JFK-MAD 1x ORD-LHR 4x ORD-HEL 1x ORD-DUB 1x ORD-MAN 1x ORD-CDG 1x ORD-FCO 1x DFW-LHR 3x DFW-FRA 1x DFW-CDG 1x DFW-MAD 1x MIA-LHR 1x MIA-CDG 1x MIA-MAD 1x LAX-LHR 1x BOS-LHR 3x BOS-CDG 1x RDU-LHR 1x US metal: 24 Europe flights, 22 routes, 16 cities in Europe PHL-FRA 2x PHL-DUB 1x PHL-GLA 1x PHL-MAN 1x PHL-LHR 1x PHL-AMS 1x PHL-BRU 1x PHL-CDG 1x PHL-MUC 1x PHL-ZRH 1x PHL-VCE 1x PHL-ATH 1x PHL-FCO 1x PHL-BCN 1x PHL-LIS 1x PHL-MAD 1x CLT-FRA 2x CLT-DUB 1x CLT-LGW 1x CLT-CDG 1x CLT-FCO 1x CLT-MAD 1x European cities served by AA, not US: MXP HEL European cities served by US, not AA: GLA AMS MUC VCE ATH LIS |
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BUD is history for AA. |
And don't forget PHL-TLV on US.
I was upset that after the TW acquisition, AA discontinued TW's JFK-TLV |
Originally Posted by nsoltz
(Post 17972909)
I was upset that after the TW acquisition, AA discontinued TW's JFK-TLV
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How Rude (& Politically Incorrect)!!!
Originally Posted by Science Goy
(Post 17951361)
US is the one company I've consistently boycotted. Worst airline ever.
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Originally Posted by BF263533
(Post 17970408)
Possibly AA's management could replace some of US's management. The America West - US merger did not go smoothly.
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways
(Post 17973145)
You should have said..."Worst airline ever is the history of the Universe". NOW that would be accurate (-:
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Originally Posted by UVU Wolverine
(Post 17973256)
Correction: is not going smoothly. They, US Airways and America West, still are practically operating as separate entities especially in regards to labor which is usually a crux for management with mergers. The <bad thing> that would be a AA-US merger would likely result in further chaos for the airlines.
To the extent management is the problem, they should have been replaced years ago. To the extent labor is the problem, they should read the history of Eastern Airlines [gone following strike], Mohawk Airlines [forced into acquisition by Allegheny (US) after strike], and other long gone airlines. To put it more diplomaticly, I guess the AA-US- America West merger would be a three ring circus, with Doug Parker the ring-master holding a pitcher of Budweiser in one hand, and a pitcher of the new Bud Light Platinum in the other, trying to figure out how to combine the two into a single drink. |
Originally Posted by BF263533
(Post 17976856)
"Correction: is not going smoothly." That's funny, but sad. I stopped flying them in 2007. Under any circumstances the integration should have been completed years ago.
To the extent management is the problem, they should have been replaced years ago. To the extent labor is the problem, they should read the history of Eastern Airlines [gone following strike], Mohawk Airlines [forced into acquisition by Allegheny (US) after strike], and other long gone airlines. To put it more diplomaticly, I guess the AA-US- America West merger would be a three ring circus, with Doug Parker the ring-master holding a pitcher of Budweiser in one hand, and a pitcher of the new Bud Light Platinum in the other, trying to figure out how to combine the two into a single drink. Personally, I don't see an AA/USAir merger as the end all of the world other than domestic F will probably see a downgrade in service (will be seeing a lot more of that snack basket over real meals). But keep the big seat and complimentary drinks for afternoon and evening flights and I'm still game. Just like DL/NW/UA employees are going to need to accept their reality or move on. |
Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 17976930)
If Parker can get his employees onboard for an AA/USAir merger that is more than half the battle. Remember, a proposed merger benefits US more than it does AA. Moreover, AA unions are going to be, rightly or wrongly, neutered in the Chapter 11 process. If USAir presents a good case to creditors and AA management cannot fend off such a deal creditors may have little care of how AA unions feel.
Personally, I don't see an AA/USAir merger as the end all of the world other than domestic F will probably see a downgrade in service (will be seeing a lot more of that snack basket over real meals). But keep the big seat and complimentary drinks for afternoon and evening flights and I'm still game. Just like DL/NW/UA employees are going to need to accept their reality or move on. |
Originally Posted by gegarrenton
(Post 17976938)
That's all fine and well except Parker hasn't even convinced half of HIS employees to merge with the other half!
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge
(Post 17976930)
If Parker can get his employees onboard for an AA/USAir merger that is more than half the battle. Remember, a proposed merger benefits US more than it does AA. Moreover, AA unions are going to be, rightly or wrongly, neutered in the Chapter 11 process. If USAir presents a good case to creditors and AA management cannot fend off such a deal creditors may have little care of how AA unions feel.
Although the AA unions will suffer some pain and losses, I wouldn't say they're going to be neutered - after all, they are members of the creditors' committee, so they'll have some input when it comes time to solicit approval for plans of reorganization. My guess is that a POR that includes a merger with US won't be favored by the unions unless it's a really rich plan. |
Originally Posted by Science Goy
(Post 17951361)
US is the one company I've consistently boycotted, even when their fares were significantly lower than competitors'. Worst airline ever.
Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways
(Post 17973145)
You should have said..."Worst airline ever is the history of the Universe". NOW that would be accurate (-:
Originally Posted by gegarrenton
(Post 17974733)
No, it's actually "The worst airline in the history of ever!". That pretty much covers all the bases.
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
(Post 17978031)
Except where does that put Spirit and RyanAir? Or have y'all forget about those (and hopefully never had to actually experience)?
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