Originally Posted by sts603
(Post 20235235)
US decided on PHL for what?
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Originally Posted by sts603
(Post 20235292)
Doug Parker has been clear for years that US isn't capable of competing with the big guys. Thats why he's buying AA. To compete with the big guys.
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Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 20235476)
+1, SQ is struggling to make profits flying longhaul from SIN, and have cancelled their nonstop from EWR as a result.
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 20235488)
A hub rather than PIT. One of the reasons I stopped flying them. I was doing 100+ segments a year on them for a while. I remember a flight from LGA to PHL where everyone was connecting and we landed at PHL and just parked. Multiple US1s were calling the Chairmans desk asking for help in getting us a bus to get us to the terminal for our connections. But no.......
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 20235513)
It is a lot easier to compete on PHL-LHR than NYC-LHR. They seem to me to have downsized their LGA operation as well, although that is just an impression from hanging around waiting for shuttles over the years. I just don't think having gates will help them compete. It is their business model/niche which I don't think will lead them o try to compete in those markets. At least not for long.
The point is that the US business model and niche wasn't viable. That's why Doug has been hunting for a partner. He did alright over the last few years scraping together some profits but he knows that can't last forever. So he's getting into the big guys game and trying to merge with one of the big guys so he can run a big guy operation. If he wanted to be a niche player, why buy AA. US downsized their NYC operation not to run away from the competition but because they had a better competitive advantage at DCA and the opportunity to strengthen in via a slot swap with DL. The WAS market certainly isn't non-competitive. In retrospect with he merger, US-AA probably should have kept the LGA presence (though it may have required more divesting to pass anti-trust scrutiny, the current merger will still have the combined entity slightly behind DL's LGA presence). But that slot swap was designed long before AA entered Ch. 11. |
Originally Posted by elitetraveler
(Post 20235514)
As others have said, I think it has more to do with the four-engine A340, weight restrictions and as I understood it, the floor of the 340 the way SQ had them delivered couldn't take their F seats (weight I think). Ironically, while one would obviously pay for the time savings of a non-stop, those who wanted to fly F had to fly one-stop.
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Originally Posted by sts603
(Post 20235534)
And the size of the market is how many times bigger NYC-LHR?? Sure, its easy to compete when you'll be in a JBA with your only competitor (PHL-LHR). But the amount of traffic and most importantly the amount of premium traffic on NYC-LHR is MANY, MANY times higher.
The point is that the US business model and niche wasn't viable. That's why Doug has been hunting for a partner. He did alright over the last few years scraping together some profits but he knows that can't last forever. So he's getting into the big guys game and trying to merge with one of the big guys so he can run a big guy operation. If he wanted to be a niche player, why buy AA. US downsized their NYC operation not to run away from the competition but because they had a better competitive advantage at DCA and the opportunity to strengthen in via a slot swap with DL. The WAS market certainly isn't non-competitive. In retrospect with he merger, US-AA probably should have kept the LGA presence (though it may have required more divesting to pass anti-trust scrutiny, the current merger will still have the combined entity slightly behind DL's LGA presence). But that slot swap was designed long before AA entered Ch. 11. |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 20235558)
They may still see it to be better to sell those slots to DL than compete with DL. I don't see their product competing in those markets.
Also, I doubt DOJ will allow any sales to DL at LGA. |
Originally Posted by sts603
(Post 20235570)
Why do you think that US is buying AA to make AA like US? Doug has been clear that the US hub/route system doesn't generate the revenue that the big guy's systems do. He's created a product to match that. While I'm not a fan of a lot of what Doug has done, he's a pretty saavy guy at the end of the day. Pretty sure he knows that what can fly on PHL-MAN or PHL-GLA isn't going to cut it on JFK-HND/LHR/CDG (though as I said above, US has far more flat J in a spacious herringbone configuration than AA does right now).
Also, I doubt DOJ will allow any sales to DL at LGA. |
Does anybody have any links or information into what divestitures / changes that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) forced upon DL/NW and UA/CO when they merged? (Or even SW / AirTran for that matter...)
Did the European Trade Commission get involved with DL/NW or UA/CO mergers? I am looking to get ideas on what might be mandated by the FTC as a part of the US/AA merger... Somebody up-thread mentioned that WAS is the only area with overlap, so would be the only place where changes might be coming. I have trouble believing this, but I am not an expert in this area. (I do post on FT though, and I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. So I've got that going for me.) |
Originally Posted by bubba198
(Post 20235613)
US is not buying AA.
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Originally Posted by bubba198
(Post 20235613)
US is not buying AA.
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Originally Posted by sts603
(Post 20235570)
Why do you think that US is buying AA to make AA like US? Doug has been clear that the US hub/route system doesn't generate the revenue that the big guy's systems do. He's created a product to match that. While I'm not a fan of a lot of what Doug has done, he's a pretty saavy guy at the end of the day. Pretty sure he knows that what can fly on PHL-MAN or PHL-GLA isn't going to cut it on JFK-HND/LHR/CDG (though as I said above, US has far more flat J in a spacious herringbone configuration than AA does right now).
Also, I doubt DOJ will allow any sales to DL at LGA. |
Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 20235732)
Does anybody have any links or information into what divestitures / changes that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) forced upon DL/NW and UA/CO when they merged? (Or even SW / AirTran for that matter...)
Did the European Trade Commission get involved with DL/NW or UA/CO mergers? I am looking to get ideas on what might be mandated by the FTC as a part of the US/AA merger... Somebody up-thread mentioned that WAS is the only area with overlap, so would be the only place where changes might be coming. I have trouble believing this, but I am not an expert in this area. (I do post on FT though, and I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. So I've got that going for me.) Delta NW http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/pr...008/238849.htm UA CO http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/A...10-at-974.html |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 20235801)
I suspect you're right about about the DoJ. But I think US is looking to expand the buttom feeding. They have cut back before and I would expect them to do so again to focus on non-competitive hubs and use the AA network to feed into that.
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