AZ vs LH Italia
Jun 19, 2010, 12:41 pm
#61
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Point taken and truth be told at the moment they simply can't BUT
in the future they must consider
- routing
- timetable (for all three destinations)
- J offering and J prices (CX and SQ often very very expensive ex Italy)
- business partnerships
- load factors
etc etc etc etc
SQ is probably the hardest to tackle but in the good old days AZ were plying the BKK / SIN routing.....
in the future they must consider
- routing
- timetable (for all three destinations)
- J offering and J prices (CX and SQ often very very expensive ex Italy)
- business partnerships
- load factors
etc etc etc etc
SQ is probably the hardest to tackle but in the good old days AZ were plying the BKK / SIN routing.....
Jun 22, 2010, 4:25 am
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Thai, Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, ... are in a league of their own.
Incredibly good service and modern fleets.
BUT, to be fair to AZ, no European airline can really compete with these carriers on "fair terms", not even BA, AF or LH.
Cathay, SQ, ... "enjoy" lower costs (wages), there are no unions to "annoy" the company and what about pension schemes ?
Incredibly good service and modern fleets.
BUT, to be fair to AZ, no European airline can really compete with these carriers on "fair terms", not even BA, AF or LH.
Cathay, SQ, ... "enjoy" lower costs (wages), there are no unions to "annoy" the company and what about pension schemes ?
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Jun 22, 2010, 8:18 am
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janmnastami, yes the new hardware product seem to be better than others (maybe only BA can compare)... but how many planes and how many destination will be fitted that way? This is the question, and also the one about the service...
Jun 23, 2010, 3:59 am
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Well, for now 2 planes flying to JFK and NRT.
Jun 23, 2010, 5:05 am
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777 will be retroffited as well.
Originally Posted by raistlin
Well, for now 2 planes flying to JFK and NRT.
Jun 24, 2010, 4:35 pm
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AZ remain generous on mileage (x 3 bonus in J) - fairly easy to become TOP TIER with MM / skyteam if flying on long haul..
Punctuality is great at the moment
Not all that bad
Jun 25, 2010, 11:05 am
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Jun 25, 2010, 11:13 am
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The address of the airport say it's in Segrate, but I'm sure you're right about some areas being in Milan.
Jun 25, 2010, 11:23 am
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I have found five pages of discussions about parkings, highways, freeways, tangenziali, circular roads, city roads, bicicle paths, plus discussions about train schedule and hotels in MXP and finally disquisition regarding the totally unuseful SEAMI card but nobody is pointing at the most important thing about MXP: the serious technical problems of the airport (most of them hidden to the passengers). Here only some examples from the ATC point of view: MXP is unable for segregated operations because the 2 runways are too much close, allowed only dependant parallel apchs, confusing SIDs, conflicting STARs, strange noise abatment procedures and so on. The airport is old after only 12 years from the opening and is unable for any future expansion: MXP is a total mess also on the flight operations. LIN with only a single runway wins hands down from the ATC management.
Jun 25, 2010, 11:33 am
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20090 Linate Aeroporto.
It shares the same postal code of Segrate (20090) but this particular postal code is shared also with some other places far away from the airport (Assago, Buccinasco, Cesano Boscone, Cusago and many others).
To give you an example the runway lies in Milan but the TDZ is in Peschiera Borromeo, the GA terminal is in Milan, the cargo area is in Peschiera Borromeo. Covered parkings are in Segrate. The main terminal is shared between Milano and Segrate. Anyway this partition is quite messy....
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Jun 25, 2010, 11:44 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_alLJA0nbME
strange noise abatment procedures and so on
The airport ... is unable for any future expansion
LIN with only a single runway wins hands down from the ATC management.
Jun 25, 2010, 11:49 am
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LIN has its own postal address that is:
20090 Linate Aeroporto.
It shares the same postal code of Segrate (20090) but this particular postal code is shared also with some other places far away from the airport (Assago, Buccinasco, Cesano Boscone, Cusago and many others).
To give you an example the runway lies in Milan but the TDZ is in Peschiera Borromeo, the GA terminal is in Milan, the cargo area is in Peschiera Borromeo. Covered parkings are in Segrate. The main terminal is shared between Milano and Segrate. Anyway this partition is quite messy....
20090 Linate Aeroporto.
It shares the same postal code of Segrate (20090) but this particular postal code is shared also with some other places far away from the airport (Assago, Buccinasco, Cesano Boscone, Cusago and many others).
To give you an example the runway lies in Milan but the TDZ is in Peschiera Borromeo, the GA terminal is in Milan, the cargo area is in Peschiera Borromeo. Covered parkings are in Segrate. The main terminal is shared between Milano and Segrate. Anyway this partition is quite messy....
Società per Azioni Esercizi Aeroportuali S.E.A.
Aeroporto Milano Linate
20090 Segrate (Milano)
Jun 25, 2010, 11:57 am
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With the third runway, independent approachs will be possible. There are some videos on youtube showing that simultaneous take-offs are possible:
Totally false. A third runway, the third part of T1 and satellite C, a new satellite in the middle of the two runways, isn't that expansion?
Totally false. A third runway, the third part of T1 and satellite C, a new satellite in the middle of the two runways, isn't that expansion?
Lucky you young man..... hope one day you could see all these things....