Beat of Hawaii: Southwest Airlines Trims Hawaii Routes By Over 50%
Mar 10, 2024, 4:14 am
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And a lot of years ago, using the 737-200 with those cigar tubes under the wings. I am not sure that those engines and their suitability for frequent short hops with no cool down period are necessarily comparable to the engines hanging under the wings of modern NG and MAX aircraft. But I am certainly not an expert in this.
Mar 10, 2024, 9:09 am
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I personally know at least 10 people who save their Alaska miles and go to Hawaii once a year. If the flights are “free” then the price of the hotel doesn’t sting so much.
Mar 10, 2024, 11:45 am
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And it's not like alternative destinations are any cheaper. Mexico has become just as ridiculous.
Mar 10, 2024, 4:49 pm
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What a lot of off islanders don't realize about the frequency of the HA inter island flights is they are full of locals who commute to other islands for work and locals who fly to other islands to see family and locals who fly to other islands for medical needs. Very different than mainland where you jump in a car if you need to go 80-150 miles to another city for some reason. Here, you jump on a plane. Locals like to support local so they fly HA.
Mar 11, 2024, 9:42 am
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What a lot of off islanders don't realize about the frequency of the HA inter island flights is they are full of locals who commute to other islands for work and locals who fly to other islands to see family and locals who fly to other islands for medical needs. Very different than mainland where you jump in a car if you need to go 80-150 miles to another city for some reason. Here, you jump on a plane. Locals like to support local so they fly HA.
Mar 11, 2024, 5:02 pm
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Pre-Covid I visited Hawaii four or so times per year. I return this week, but have not visited in over a year.
Really do not like the anti-visitor sentiment, high upfront costs…and high taxes. Didn’t feel the Aloha last trip.
if things don’t feel different after my flight back to the mainland next week, will be quite a while before I spend money in the islands again.
Really do not like the anti-visitor sentiment, high upfront costs…and high taxes. Didn’t feel the Aloha last trip.
if things don’t feel different after my flight back to the mainland next week, will be quite a while before I spend money in the islands again.
There are certainly more regulations now around pre-booking state-park entry slots but what can you do when remote places just can't cope with the numbers of visitors who want to go at the same time, and there aren't enough parking spots or roadway space? I would be very interested in what you personally felt in terms of anti-visitor sentiment on your trip.
Mar 11, 2024, 6:27 pm
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As a regular Hawaii visitor myself, I have not really personally felt any anti-visitor sentiment. If anything, the aloha spirit is well alive. The hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, and airlines that we patronized last month and this month, for example, all extended a warm welcome.
Mar 11, 2024, 6:37 pm
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Sentiment is far from universal, reasonable to expect residents who interact with tourists, dependent on their business to behave in such a manner. County and State governments are current considering all kinds of visitor tax and fee increases, much of the related public commentary is anything but warm and welcoming.
how dare a visitor try to go diving for free right off the beach?
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Mar 11, 2024, 7:37 pm
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Sentiment is far from universal, reasonable to expect residents who interact with tourists, dependent on their business to behave in such a manner. County and State governments are current considering all kinds of visitor tax and fee increases, much of the related public commentary is anything but warm and welcoming.
I have not personally experienced any HI locals who weren’t polite and welcoming. But of course almost all my interaction is with people who work in the tourism industry. I have multiple friends, though, who lived in the islands for a few years and moved back because they didn’t feel welcome there. I guess the Aloha spirit is really an invention of the tourism industry.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing a bit of a downturn in HI tourism to drive the lodging prices down to more reasonable levels.
Mar 11, 2024, 8:22 pm
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Mar 11, 2024, 9:04 pm
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I expect them to basically keep doing what HA is doing plus try very hard to figure out how to make MKK and LNY work as a community relations effort.
ETA: In the short term, that is. Intermediate term they have to figure out 717 replacement. HA's schedule strength is an advantage they need to hang onto, but there isn't a good 128-seat replacement on offer, so it's going to be an interesting problem.
ETA: In the short term, that is. Intermediate term they have to figure out 717 replacement. HA's schedule strength is an advantage they need to hang onto, but there isn't a good 128-seat replacement on offer, so it's going to be an interesting problem.
Mar 11, 2024, 9:37 pm
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An important element of the inter-island flights is cargo. The E75 is not a good plane for cargo. My money is on the MAX 7.
Mar 11, 2024, 11:47 pm
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I have not personally experienced any HI locals who weren’t polite and welcoming. But of course almost all my interaction is with people who work in the tourism industry. I have multiple friends, though, who lived in the islands for a few years and moved back because they didn’t feel welcome there. I guess the Aloha spirit is really an invention of the tourism industry.
Mar 12, 2024, 1:06 pm
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The E175 has a little over half the capacity for passengers so they would have to add a LOT of frequency. And as was said E175 is not good for cargo and there is a lot of cargo being shipped throughout the islands. If not a 737 of some form next possibility I can see would the the A220.
Mar 12, 2024, 3:23 pm
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The E175 has a little over half the capacity for passengers so they would have to add a LOT of frequency. And as was said E175 is not good for cargo and there is a lot of cargo being shipped throughout the islands. If not a 737 of some form next possibility I can see would the the A220.