Way to Earn EQMs Without Flying
#16
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: SNA
Programs: Marriott PLAT
Posts: 248
EQM's arriving after Jan 1?
Question - with the AS Visa Spend 10K, get 2K EQM promotion, the EQMs are stated to post 8-12 weeks after the promotion is over (so into Jan or Feb 2024) Does anyone know how that gets applied to your 2023 qualifying year for 2024 status?
#17
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 12,598
I also just got the email for this EQM purchase offer in my inbox - they actually highlight at the top of the email that it's a greener alternative to a mileage run:
It's the end of the year, when many flyers are mulling over a mileage run—a quick roundtrip just to reach the next status tier. Before you make a run, consider a more eco‑friendly alternative.
#18
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: ANC
Programs: AS MVP, Club 49, Global Entry, National Emerald Club, Hilton Silver
Posts: 1,401
#19
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Location: Los Angeles
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#20
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: ANC
Programs: AS MVP, Club 49, Global Entry, National Emerald Club, Hilton Silver
Posts: 1,401
I guess it depends how you define service; but, the point is that mileage runs incur a cost for AS, whereas this option does not (to the same extent). In the airline industry, net profit margins for airlines are between 1 and 2%. So if you spend $100 on a ticket, between $1 and $2 goes to the airline's bottom line. The net profit margin for AS when a passenger simply pays for miles is significantly higher. All this program does is subsidize aviation fuel costs. Who knows if they are actually going to use this money to buy the sustainable aviation fuel, which is not exactly financially sustainable (or they would be buying it already). Bottom line: this may be a green initiative, if green means money.
#21
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Seattle
Programs: Costco Club
Posts: 1,155
I guess it depends how you define service; but, the point is that mileage runs incur a cost for AS, whereas this option does not (to the same extent). In the airline industry, net profit margins for airlines are between 1 and 2%. So if you spend $100 on a ticket, between $1 and $2 goes to the airline's bottom line. The net profit margin for AS when a passenger simply pays for miles is significantly higher. All this program does is subsidize aviation fuel costs. Who knows if they are actually going to use this money to buy the sustainable aviation fuel, which is not exactly financially sustainable (or they would be buying it already). Bottom line: this may be a green initiative, if green means money.
#22
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 12,598
As far as "green" goes, for anyone who cares - the biggest benefit is keeping you from doing the MR in the first place. Whether they're spending it on "green" fuel is a smaller impact.
#23
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: SAN
Programs: AS MVP 100K, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Lifetime Titanium Elite, UA 1MM,
Posts: 1,710
To put this all in perspective…this is nothing new for airlines. Over at United, there is the PassPlus program. Wherein, you prepay your travel and become an elite immediately before you’ve even stepped on a plane.
If you don’t want to pre-pay in the mid-five-digits, on a smaller scale, you can do premier accelerators that allow you to buy EQMs as a multiplier of your proposed earnings on an upcoming trip, again…earning before you even take the flight. The hack that bloggers promote is doing this purchase on a refundable ticket and then cancelling the flight.
if you think airlines are naive to frequent travelers that will throw money at them, for nothing more than to retain their status, well…you probably think the airline is being loyal to you in the loyalty program. They are not.
If you don’t want to pre-pay in the mid-five-digits, on a smaller scale, you can do premier accelerators that allow you to buy EQMs as a multiplier of your proposed earnings on an upcoming trip, again…earning before you even take the flight. The hack that bloggers promote is doing this purchase on a refundable ticket and then cancelling the flight.
if you think airlines are naive to frequent travelers that will throw money at them, for nothing more than to retain their status, well…you probably think the airline is being loyal to you in the loyalty program. They are not.
#24
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
Programs: AA 2MM LT PLT; AS MVP Gold75k; HHonors Diamond; IHG PLT
Posts: 3,503
Bottom line is that AS has come up with a fair and equitable solution for the endless stream of posts about being XXX miles short of a status threshold, looking for special consideration. It is much better than the common practice of simply setting an arbitrary price - with $$ going directly to the airline.
#26
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: PDX, OGG or between the two
Programs: AS 75K
Posts: 2,868
I think it's a win/win for AS... they make some easy money while looking good to those folks that love to bash airline mileage programs that encourage people to fly for no reason other than to maintain status. I'm personally going to have to take an extra trip to reach 75K and this is really nice to not need to cross completely. Living in Maui it's kind of a hassle to need 200 miles
#27
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: EWR/PHL/JFK
Programs: A3*G, AS MVPG, UA, AA
Posts: 610
Sure it’s nothing new, but Alaska’s whole shtick was that their program was different.
This “opportunity” together with the award chart devaluation nicely aligns them with the other carriers without bringing any of their other benefits like lie flat business or a true national network. So…a win I guess?
This “opportunity” together with the award chart devaluation nicely aligns them with the other carriers without bringing any of their other benefits like lie flat business or a true national network. So…a win I guess?
#29
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: SFO
Programs: AS MVP Gold 100k, UA Silver, AC P25k, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Gold, IHG Platinum
Posts: 863
This is just a horrific way to continue this perpetual "Catholic Indulgences" in terms of offsets. The projects say nothing about actually expanding or making any meaningful quantitative role in providing a reduction in carbon at all. SAF still generates carbon and is not a complete OFFSET. Meanwhile, the projects dont actually carbon capture in terms of expanding thier capabilities. So how many times can they sell the same plant for CO2 offsets.
i think this is a horrific idea from AS. Its greenwashing and frankly destroys my opinion of the green initiatives they have been spearheading. Do the actual hard work....make all supply chain items fully compostable and reduce waste along with emissions. Make SAF part of thier SOP to buy as a company....dont ask for offsets.....
i think this is a horrific idea from AS. Its greenwashing and frankly destroys my opinion of the green initiatives they have been spearheading. Do the actual hard work....make all supply chain items fully compostable and reduce waste along with emissions. Make SAF part of thier SOP to buy as a company....dont ask for offsets.....
#30
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: PDX, OGG or between the two
Programs: AS 75K
Posts: 2,868
This is just a horrific way to continue this perpetual "Catholic Indulgences" in terms of offsets. The projects say nothing about actually expanding or making any meaningful quantitative role in providing a reduction in carbon at all. SAF still generates carbon and is not a complete OFFSET. Meanwhile, the projects dont actually carbon capture in terms of expanding thier capabilities. So how many times can they sell the same plant for CO2 offsets.
i think this is a horrific idea from AS. Its greenwashing and frankly destroys my opinion of the green initiatives they have been spearheading. Do the actual hard work....make all supply chain items fully compostable and reduce waste along with emissions. Make SAF part of thier SOP to buy as a company....dont ask for offsets.....
i think this is a horrific idea from AS. Its greenwashing and frankly destroys my opinion of the green initiatives they have been spearheading. Do the actual hard work....make all supply chain items fully compostable and reduce waste along with emissions. Make SAF part of thier SOP to buy as a company....dont ask for offsets.....
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