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AS Jump Seat Pilot on Mushrooms Tried to Shut Down Engines on AS Flight

Old Oct 23, 2023, 9:38 am
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AS Jump Seat Pilot on Mushrooms Tried to Shut Down Engines on AS Flight

A jump seater tried to shut down the engines on Alaska 2059 from Everett to SFO last night. Flight diverted to Portland after the guy was subdued. https://themessenger.com/business/pi...t-down-engines
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 9:45 am
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Listen starting at 10:45: https://archive.liveatc.net/kpdx/KPD...ibextid=Zxz2cZ
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 9:50 am
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Obviously this is breaking and there are probably things we don't yet know, but assuming the reporting is reasonably accurate, this is a pretty mind blowing action for an individual to take. This individual attempted something evil and failed at it (thankfully) and now faces a ruined career and frankly, ruined life. The hammer will come down hard on this person (rightfully so). I can't imagine what motivates someone to attempt this type of thing (well, I guess I can conjure a few ideas, but that likely goes in OMNI territory).

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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:00 am
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Especially as reported in the view from the wing article that the person charged was an Alaska Airlines pilot.
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:05 am
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Itll be interesting to see who this idiot is. All eligible airline staff J/S riders are entered into a Federal data base called CASS, AS connects to it via their agent system called JACS. Every approved employee rider from all airlines has gone through the Fed background check. So no one can just come up, flash their ID and driver ticket and hop a ride. If you dont show up in CASS as employed and vetted and then working for a carrier with an authorized jS agreement with AS/QX, you dont get to access to the cockpit. Even AS own maintenance, operations employees and Executives are included on the JACS side. This system came about after 911. This is going to be interesting to watch and see what changes this fool forces. The aviation background check is for possible criminal activity but has very little to do with an unstable mind.
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:07 am
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Originally Posted by Tack
Itll be interesting to see who this idiot is. All eligible airline staff J/S riders are entered into a national data base called CASS, AS connects to it via their agent system called JACS. Every approved employee rider from all airlines has gone through the Fed background check. So no one can just come up, flash their ID and driver ticket and hop a ride. If you dont show up in CASS as employed and vetted and then working for a carrier with an authorized jS agreement with AS/QX, you dont get to access to the cockpit. Even AS own maintenance, operations employees and Executives are included on the JACS side. This system came about after 911. This is going to be interesting to watch and see what changes this fool forces.
No automated system, no matter how advanced, can account for someone going nuts...

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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by scubadu
No automated system, no matter how advanced, can account for someone going nuts...

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100%. See German Wings Flight 9525.
Theres a reason you see an FA go sit in the cockpit when a pilot needs to take 5.
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:27 am
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Sounds like a mainline Alaska Airlines pilot actively employed, at least until yesterday
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:35 am
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Here is the article from the Seattle Times.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-from-everett/
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by Steve in Olympia
Here is the article from the Seattle Times.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-from-everett/
How did they put him in the cabin if every seat was taken?
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:43 am
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Thats pretty crazy. Wonder what would have happened, if one pilot had been in the restroom or such?
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
How did they put him in the cabin if every seat was taken?
I imagine he was restrained in some manner, possibly on the floor.
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
How did they put him in the cabin if every seat was taken?
Most likely, in the additional F/A cabin jumpseat.

or they hog tied and put him on the galley floor
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by NoLaGent
Most likely, in the additional F/A cabin jumpseat.

or they hog tied and put him on the galley floor
Per ATC recording, zip tied and put in rear FA jump seat.
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Old Oct 23, 2023, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero
Thats pretty crazy. Wonder what would have happened, if one pilot had been in the restroom or such?
When one pilot is in the restroom an FA is in the pilot's seat.
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