Originally Posted by NoLaGent
(Post 31485853)
The mods should probably change the thread title as well since it was a GA that pulled the fire alarm as they were about to board and yelled for pax to evacuate, not an FA.
I find it more annoying that misspelled words don't get changed in titles, thus making search impossible. |
First of all, "See something, say something" doesn't work at all if you then criticize the person for acting. Speaking for myself I would much rather have someone err on the side of safety. Lets just say the GA let these people board and then some unfortunate incident happened in flight. We would all me sitting around criticizing the GA for her inaction. Why don't we wait for facts before we make conclusions.
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Originally Posted by jsguyrus
(Post 31486533)
First of all, "See something, say something" doesn't work at all if you then criticize the person for acting. Speaking for myself I would much rather have someone err on the side of safety. Lets just say the GA let these people board and then some unfortunate incident happened in flight. We would all me sitting around criticizing the GA for her inaction. Why don't we wait for facts before we make conclusions.
The problem with your logic is that "turning off your brain" is never a good thing. (to illustrate why, do you just want to follow a toddler around and pretend like the toddler is a police dog, sniffing out all "bad" people? Of course not. Why?) |
Originally Posted by jsguyrus
(Post 31486533)
First of all, "See something, say something" doesn't work at all if you then criticize the person for acting. Speaking for myself I would much rather have someone err on the side of safety. Lets just say the GA let these people board and then some unfortunate incident happened in flight. We would all me sitting around criticizing the GA for her inaction. Why don't we wait for facts before we make conclusions.
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A New York CBS affiliate is reporting that "Sources told CBS2’s Tony Aiello on Tuesday the flight attendant is bipolar and had an issue with her medication."
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/09...line-employee/ |
Originally Posted by muji
(Post 31486874)
A New York CBS affiliate is reporting that "Sources told CBS2’s Tony Aiello on Tuesday the flight attendant is bipolar and had an issue with her medication."
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/09...line-employee/ |
This whole incident is a hot mess, I wonder just how much of the reality of it any of us will actually hear?
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Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 31486594)
Because supposedly this is a sterile area. What do you think the men are going to do?
The problem with your logic is that "turning off your brain" is never a good thing. (to illustrate why, do you just want to follow a toddler around and pretend like the toddler is a police dog, sniffing out all "bad" people? Of course not. Why?) Remember the incident - also involving an AS flight - with the Orthodox Jewish men saying prayers? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ticle-1.123877 or the Arabic language student hassled for having Arabic flashcards https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-settles-suit/ or the man who almost wasn't allowed to board because another passenger was "uncomfortable" after hearing the man speaking Arabic: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arabic-...er-complained/ "Better safe than sorry" is fine where the additional step or action carries no real risk or cost in itself. For example triple-checking your door lock before leaving home is overkill but doesn't carry any meaningful risk or potential cost. Whereas the AS employee's actions did create a negative outcome - people were panicked, there was a risk of injury in the rush to "evacuate", a flight was delayed, first responder time and resources were used up, and two passengers were detained & questioned for no good reason. To be fair, on average humans are inherently poor at assessing risk including probability of outcome without training. Discretion, logical thinking, and proportionality are very important in assessing a situation. But all the more reason to start with the least disruptive means of addressing the perceived risk - such as calling the airport police with a description of the men and what direction they walked towards, for example. |
Originally Posted by flytoeat
(Post 31486905)
I wonder what type of (anonymous) source would have that information? Further, what type of limitations there are for flight attendants taking medications for mental health conditions?
If you start limiting what people can do, or penalize them for seeking help... they'll stop seeking help or just not report that they're struggling. That's how you end up with people going postal. If it's true that it was a medical mishap (new medication, dose, etc) that caused this... that is unfortunate and hopefully the employee gets help and can return to work. It'd be nice if we lived in a society where a person who was struggling with any disease could inform their employer that due to a change in their treatment, they need a little extra time off to adjust/recover... or to serve in a reduced role for a week or two while their body adjusts. Most companies don't offer that. And even if one did... most people wouldn't feel safe asking for that kind of treatment for a "mental health" issue vs. a physical disease for example. |
Originally Posted by mauve
(Post 31485867)
Then somehow NYPD SWAT showed up? Wouldn’t that response have taken a while? I thought that the Port Authority handled normal policing at airports.
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Originally Posted by muji
(Post 31486874)
A New York CBS affiliate is reporting that "Sources told CBS2’s Tony Aiello on Tuesday the flight attendant is bipolar and had an issue with her medication."
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/09...line-employee/ She didn't take her medications. She need go to see psychiatrist. She can't have solve her behaviors. |
Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 31486594)
Because supposedly this is a sterile area. What do you think the men are going to do?
The problem with your logic is that "turning off your brain" is never a good thing. (to illustrate why, do you just want to follow a toddler around and pretend like the toddler is a police dog, sniffing out all "bad" people? Of course not. Why?) |
Originally Posted by jsguyrus
(Post 31487760)
As I recall, the 911 hijackers were also in a sterile area. |
Originally Posted by HKG_Flyer1
(Post 31487906)
Pre-911 sterile area < post-911 sterile area. James |
Originally Posted by jsguyrus
(Post 31487760)
As I recall, the 911 hijackers were also in a sterile area. So, these men will rush the cockpit and crash the airport? |
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