AS Cancels EK Award Tickets for My Friend [Possible Merge]
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How much money does AS make by cancelling accounts on suspicion on violating T&C?
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They make award ticket space more available for those who do follow the rules and such customers might be more willing to fly AS or to pay more to fly AS (less elastic demand) as a result. On the books, when they cancel an account, they would take away the value of those miles. They might or might not get a refund for a partner ticket cancelled at the last minute and if it were an award ticket on their own metal, they might or might not be able to sell the seat or permit someone to change to the flight at a profitable price.
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FWIW, did anyone else note the original poster is a member since February of 2019 and has only one post (this post)?
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Mileage accounts also show up as liabilities on the corporate balance sheet. As of December, 2017, Mileage Plan balances represented a net of $1.2 billion in liabilities and deferred revenue for Alaska. Though they acknowledge the accounting rules make this less than exact.
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Closing accounts for fraud is not likely a profitable exercise for AS. Corporate security does not come cheap and there are branding concerns as well if it is done too much.
It is certainly good and important for those who obey the rules.
OP's story is simply lacking in detail and until (or if) he returns, this is just another rant where someone expected a ton of sympathy and didn't get any. If OP does return with useful detail, we'll see what it is.
It is certainly good and important for those who obey the rules.
OP's story is simply lacking in detail and until (or if) he returns, this is just another rant where someone expected a ton of sympathy and didn't get any. If OP does return with useful detail, we'll see what it is.
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I'm trying to understand how the OP could be "losing 2k" when the friend had to purchase a ticket for 1k. We don't know where OP is located, but an award ticket (one way?) from South Africa to JFK could look suspicious for a first redemption using AS miles given that there's no obvious connection between the passenger and the OP. If the passenger modified the ticket or actually booked it herself using OP's AS account, the verbiage about travel arrangers would seem to apply.
Frankly, it sounds to me like OP sold the award ticket to the "friend" for 2k. Just my opinion based on what I'm reading here.....
Frankly, it sounds to me like OP sold the award ticket to the "friend" for 2k. Just my opinion based on what I'm reading here.....
Im not sure if this will work, but I’m going to try to attach the actual conversation with Alask so everyone can hear what I heard. I’m still in shock... and Kimberly is still en route to JFK.
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As you reply to others, be sure to answer one key question: how long had your Alaska Mileage Plan account been open, and how had you acquired your miles? One common issue reported here that could be honest is a recently-opened account which relies mostly or entirely on purchased miles; Alaska and all other airlines (sensibly) view those kinds of accounts with suspicion.
There’s no way I would bother to post this if I was selling a ticket and got busted. I’m not stupid. Kim & my social media shows all of our travels & we travel together often.
Im not sure if this will work, but I’m going to try to attach the actual conversation with Alask so everyone can hear what I heard. I’m still in shock... and Kimberly is still en route to JFK.
Im not sure if this will work, but I’m going to try to attach the actual conversation with Alask so everyone can hear what I heard. I’m still in shock... and Kimberly is still en route to JFK.
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Good to learn more about this - thanks for sharing.
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Nonetheless, OP still does not explain how all of this ended with AS.
The multiple Ubers, extra night in a hotel, and the fact that the friend no showed on the cash ticket she purchased (even if the no show was for a good reason), has nothing to do with the AS issue and the redemption ticket.
So, the question to OP is, what happened or is happening with AS?
The multiple Ubers, extra night in a hotel, and the fact that the friend no showed on the cash ticket she purchased (even if the no show was for a good reason), has nothing to do with the AS issue and the redemption ticket.
So, the question to OP is, what happened or is happening with AS?
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Flyertalk was once a friendly place that welcomed new members looking for help and advice. It’s even in the rules.
https://www.flyertalk.com/help/rules.php#welcoming
Now just a few posts into the thread they get accused of fraudulent behavior. Quite sad.
OP - Welcome to Flyertalk. Regarding posting the recording you have, I would carefully review the laws applicable in your state. I am not a lawyer and can’t offer advice.
https://www.flyertalk.com/help/rules.php#welcoming
Now just a few posts into the thread they get accused of fraudulent behavior. Quite sad.
OP - Welcome to Flyertalk. Regarding posting the recording you have, I would carefully review the laws applicable in your state. I am not a lawyer and can’t offer advice.
Last edited by notquiteaff; Feb 9, 2019 at 11:39 am
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Alleged violations. And by that I don’t mean that they intentionally seize miles they sold that were not actually used in violation of the T&C, but I doubt that AS’s security department is infallible... and they (and other airlines) are apparently quite hostile or at least customer unfriendly and make it extremely difficult for customers to deal with such cases. It concerns me when I book my wife with miles from my account for solo trips as she has a different last name...
Last edited by notquiteaff; Feb 9, 2019 at 11:55 am
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Alaska corp security keeps track of IP addresses (including those of VPNs) which is how they are nailing the brokers. Could be the OP used a VPN service that is also used by a broker & her record got flagged.