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The AS "Penalty Box" (Tarmac Holds) Thread

The AS "Penalty Box" (Tarmac Holds) Thread

Old Oct 10, 18, 1:48 pm
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Angry The AS "Penalty Box" (Tarmac Holds) Thread

Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.

Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.

Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
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Old Oct 10, 18, 1:53 pm
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Looks like we're not the only ones...
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Old Oct 10, 18, 2:02 pm
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Had about 40 mins of that at JFK about 3 weeks ago. We were told it could be as much as an hour...
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Old Oct 10, 18, 2:33 pm
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I fly PDX to SEA regularly. I used to make a joke about that mainline trip always being pegged for ATC hold. No longer a joke, a good number of my flights are loaded on time and then delayed or when leaving SEA, just joining the line of other aircraft waiting to take off.
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Old Oct 10, 18, 2:43 pm
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Had that for SMF-SEA week of 9/29 on an OO flight. We were held for ~30 minutes. SEA is down a runway and it's bollixed up quite a bit. We had a go-round on LAX-SEA yesterday because we were going to be a bit too close to a DL plane.

Welcome to a popular airport that's been adding service and traffic pretty regularly for a decade. SEA served 31 million passengers in 2007, but now serves 46 million. Adding gates may help some, but it won't add runways. I wonder if AS is going to look at using PDX more for connecting traffic...
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Old Oct 10, 18, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by beckoa View Post
Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.
suggest we open the aperture to include waiting for a gate (esp when arriving early, esp at LAX and SEA)
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Old Oct 10, 18, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by beckoa View Post
Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.

Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.

Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
Really surprised you haven't had this occur more often. Perhaps it driven by where I usually fly, but I feel like it now happens more often than not.
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Old Oct 10, 18, 3:48 pm
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I had one yesterday (QXE2482) where the time from push to takeoff (probably 30 mins), exceeded the airborne flight time (20min)
  • Pushed from C16
  • Alpha, Left Charlie, cross 16L (closed),
  • wait to cross 16C (probably 4 takeoffs, 5-6 mins)
  • Left Tango (about 2 miles now taxiing the entire length of the runway) to
  • Hold at Tango/Quebec intersection for 2 aircraft in front of us, and 4 on Quebec taking off on 34C
  • Takeoff 34C
If you want to see an airport diagram to see what I'm talking about: http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1810/00582AD.PDF
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
Had that for SMF-SEA week of 9/29 on an OO flight. We were held for ~30 minutes. SEA is down a runway and it's bollixed up quite a bit. We had a go-round on LAX-SEA yesterday because we were going to be a bit too close to a DL plane.

Welcome to a popular airport that's been adding service and traffic pretty regularly for a decade. SEA served 31 million passengers in 2007, but now serves 46 million. Adding gates may help some, but it won't add runways. I wonder if AS is going to look at using PDX more for connecting traffic...
Normally fine with 3 runways, that's enough capacity, however runway 16L/34R (the longest one, closest to the terminal) is currently closed, and it's closed until Dec 10

Relevant NOTAM ISEA 09/339
!SEA 09/339 SEA RWY 16L/34R CLSD EXC TAX BTN TWY N AND TWY C 1809290956-1812102359

Also Bravo, the main taxiway in front of the B/C gates is also closed from roughly in front of the mid terminal area to roughly in front of the cargo ramps, so that taxiing from C/D/N for takeoff to the north involves routing to the far end of the airport and taxiing all the way back

!SEA 09/337 SEA TWY B BTN TWY N AND TWY H CLSD 1809290927-1812102359
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Old Oct 10, 18, 4:45 pm
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Had a slight delay in departure of AS 3 (DCA-SEA) last month thanks to SEA congestion. I don't remember us coming in terribly late, but it was enough extra time on the ground that those of us in F were actually offered a PDB (even if it was just our choice of wine).
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Old Oct 10, 18, 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
suggest we open the aperture to include waiting for a gate (esp when arriving early, esp at LAX and SEA)
May we add SFO to the mix as i think this is probably the most delay prone airport in AS's system.....i cant tell you how many times im waiting at SFO for a gate or extended taxi time waiting for slots east or to LAX.....
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Old Oct 10, 18, 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by beckoa View Post
Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.

Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.

Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.

10 minutes????? thats the minimum time we wait outta SFO! hahaha! ;-) When block times are 1h40m between LAX and SFO....you spend almost as much time on the ground as you do in the air!
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Old Oct 10, 18, 10:52 pm
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OAK-SEA landed 15ish minutes early at 8:50pm. Currently in the penalty box waiting for a gate.
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Old Oct 11, 18, 12:10 am
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AS doesn't pull much weight these days IMHO. I was pretty surprised at LAX who AS was paired with....bunch of airlines I never new existed.
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Old Oct 11, 18, 12:47 am
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Originally Posted by missamo80 View Post
OAK-SEA landed 15ish minutes early at 8:50pm. Currently in the penalty box waiting for a gate.
that’s what I’m talking about :/


** can some tech-savvy FTer maybe create a wiki at the top of this thread? **

Originally Posted by pharmawalk View Post
AS doesn't pull much weight these days IMHO. I was pretty surprised at LAX who AS was paired with....bunch of airlines I never new existed.
how does this relate to “Penalty Box”???
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