The AS "Penalty Box" (Tarmac Holds) Thread
Oct 10, 2018, 12:48 pm
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The AS "Penalty Box" (Tarmac Holds) Thread
Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.
Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.
Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.
Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
Oct 10, 2018, 12:53 pm
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Looks like we're not the only ones...
Oct 10, 2018, 1:33 pm
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I fly PDX to SEA regularly. I used to make a joke about that mainline trip always being pegged for ATC hold. No longer a joke, a good number of my flights are loaded on time and then delayed or when leaving SEA, just joining the line of other aircraft waiting to take off.
Oct 10, 2018, 1:43 pm
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Had that for SMF-SEA week of 9/29 on an OO flight. We were held for ~30 minutes. SEA is down a runway and it's bollixed up quite a bit. We had a go-round on LAX-SEA yesterday because we were going to be a bit too close to a DL plane.
Welcome to a popular airport that's been adding service and traffic pretty regularly for a decade. SEA served 31 million passengers in 2007, but now serves 46 million. Adding gates may help some, but it won't add runways. I wonder if AS is going to look at using PDX more for connecting traffic...
Welcome to a popular airport that's been adding service and traffic pretty regularly for a decade. SEA served 31 million passengers in 2007, but now serves 46 million. Adding gates may help some, but it won't add runways. I wonder if AS is going to look at using PDX more for connecting traffic...
Oct 10, 2018, 2:23 pm
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Oct 10, 2018, 2:41 pm
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Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.
Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.
Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.
Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
Oct 10, 2018, 2:48 pm
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I had one yesterday (QXE2482) where the time from push to takeoff (probably 30 mins), exceeded the airborne flight time (20min)
- Pushed from C16
- Alpha, Left Charlie, cross 16L (closed),
- wait to cross 16C (probably 4 takeoffs, 5-6 mins)
- Left Tango (about 2 miles now taxiing the entire length of the runway) to
- Hold at Tango/Quebec intersection for 2 aircraft in front of us, and 4 on Quebec taking off on 34C
- Takeoff 34C
Last edited by CZBB; Oct 10, 2018 at 2:55 pm Reason: typo
Oct 10, 2018, 2:55 pm
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Had that for SMF-SEA week of 9/29 on an OO flight. We were held for ~30 minutes. SEA is down a runway and it's bollixed up quite a bit. We had a go-round on LAX-SEA yesterday because we were going to be a bit too close to a DL plane.
Welcome to a popular airport that's been adding service and traffic pretty regularly for a decade. SEA served 31 million passengers in 2007, but now serves 46 million. Adding gates may help some, but it won't add runways. I wonder if AS is going to look at using PDX more for connecting traffic...
Welcome to a popular airport that's been adding service and traffic pretty regularly for a decade. SEA served 31 million passengers in 2007, but now serves 46 million. Adding gates may help some, but it won't add runways. I wonder if AS is going to look at using PDX more for connecting traffic...
Relevant NOTAM ISEA 09/339
!SEA 09/339 SEA RWY 16L/34R CLSD EXC TAX BTN TWY N AND TWY C 1809290956-1812102359
Also Bravo, the main taxiway in front of the B/C gates is also closed from roughly in front of the mid terminal area to roughly in front of the cargo ramps, so that taxiing from C/D/N for takeoff to the north involves routing to the far end of the airport and taxiing all the way back
!SEA 09/337 SEA TWY B BTN TWY N AND TWY H CLSD 1809290927-1812102359
Last edited by CZBB; Oct 10, 2018 at 2:55 pm Reason: Fix formatting
Oct 10, 2018, 3:45 pm
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Had a slight delay in departure of AS 3 (DCA-SEA) last month thanks to SEA congestion. I don't remember us coming in terribly late, but it was enough extra time on the ground that those of us in F were actually offered a PDB (even if it was just our choice of wine).
Oct 10, 2018, 3:59 pm
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May we add SFO to the mix as i think this is probably the most delay prone airport in AS's system.....i cant tell you how many times im waiting at SFO for a gate or extended taxi time waiting for slots east or to LAX.....
Oct 10, 2018, 4:03 pm
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Purpose: post here when you've pushed back and are waiting for a slot to take off, or a landing slot.
Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.
Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
Just pushed back from PDX on AS751 for SEA. We taxied for a brief bit, and am now holding for "about 10 minutes" to take off.
Haven't had this occur too often, but it is becoming more of a norm.
10 minutes????? thats the minimum time we wait outta SFO! hahaha! ;-) When block times are 1h40m between LAX and SFO....you spend almost as much time on the ground as you do in the air!
Oct 10, 2018, 11:47 pm
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** can some tech-savvy FTer maybe create a wiki at the top of this thread? **
how does this relate to “Penalty Box”???