JFK-LAX "Business Class"
Sep 16, 2018, 10:47 pm
#1
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JFK-LAX "Business Class"
I was poking through some search results tonight for an east coast trip and noticed that under the "first class" column on a NYC-LAX search, the JFK-LAX flights have a seat symbol, and the EWR-LAX flights, don't.
All flights are 1xxx series flight numbers, Airbus equipment.
When I select first class on a JFK-LAX flight, it pops up with a warning that this is business class. When I add to cart, the flight is listed as business class ...
New branding?
All flights are 1xxx series flight numbers, Airbus equipment.
When I select first class on a JFK-LAX flight, it pops up with a warning that this is business class. When I add to cart, the flight is listed as business class ...
New branding?
Sep 17, 2018, 11:45 am
#3
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Interesting.... P fare is non-refundable First Class. Perhaps, AS is looking to market "Business class" sometime in the future? Checked seat map and shows "typical" pmVX seat map. The wording when clicking on seat icon is Itinerary in not entirely in First Class , it is a non-stop flight.....are they intending to put passenger in Premium ?? Or will they market Premium Coach as business class in the future , on long hauls?
Thinking they will provide some type of meal and drinks to Row 3.
Thinking they will provide some type of meal and drinks to Row 3.
Last edited by pcoll; Sep 17, 2018 at 11:51 am
Sep 17, 2018, 3:16 pm
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Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 pm
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Only AA and AS are offering F for these premium flights and obviously the AS product is not even comparable. If AS is not going to upgrade their product the least they can do is downgrade the class. Otherwise they can call it premium economy extra to truly set expectations compared to the competition.
Sep 17, 2018, 3:53 pm
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Only AA and AS are offering F for these premium flights and obviously the AS product is not even comparable. If AS is not going to upgrade their product the least they can do is downgrade the class. Otherwise they can call it premium economy extra to truly set expectations compared to the competition.
Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 pm
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B6 makes Mint work outside of California, sort of, but they have an NYC airport as a hub (as do the other premium transcon contenders), and they DON'T run Mint on all their transcon routes even (for instance FLL-SEA). AS doesn't have an NYC hub, and likely never will unless they get absorbed by the Borg or merge with B6 (I don't see either as terribly likely anytime soon). They are likely ONLY drawing from CA as their base- VX didn't make their oddball routes out of JFK like FLL, LAS or PSP into major successes, it seems.
Sep 17, 2018, 5:39 pm
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But they are rolling out a new hard product soon - and it will be (arguably, as neither I nor you nor any revenue passenger has sat in one) the best domestic US non-premium seat out there, with the largest pitch, and footrests. If they are anything like the newer Aeromexico J seats on its 738s, they will be pretty decent.
Sep 17, 2018, 6:23 pm
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But they are rolling out a new hard product soon - and it will be (arguably, as neither I nor you nor any revenue passenger has sat in one) the best domestic US non-premium seat out there, with the largest pitch, and footrests. If they are anything like the newer Aeromexico J seats on its 738s, they will be pretty decent.
Sep 17, 2018, 7:39 pm
#12
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Actually UA markets their “first class” product on that route as United Business so the AS product is the only one clearly out of step with the marketing of the competition.
Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 pm
#13
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sorry for being vague....not sure I can disclose too much. Was part of group invited to evaluate “new” seats for AS. Also asked F & B manager to “up the game” in F offerings. Not sure that will happen anytime soon.
Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 pm
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But back on topic, I think the new AS F seat will be a happy compromise between the old product on AS metal and the old product on VX metal.
Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 pm
#15
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If you follow through like you are booking the seats offered are in rows 1 and 2. Whatever they call this P fare one hopes that the passenger still receives the 75% mileage bonus.