ucdtim17

The whole thing looks like amateur hour. Just throwing darts at the wall as fast as they could after the merger.

milypan

sltlyamusd

It isn't inconsistent with previous expansion by AS into new markets. If the route makes money, it sticks around, if it doesn't, sometimes its gone in under a year.

bobbybrown

SNA-ABQ is also blocked from booking from early next year. That leaves 2xSEA, PDX, SAN from ABQ.

SFO-ABQ launched on 9/18/2017, SNA-ABQ on 8/18/2017. Both survived merely over a year.

Before AS announced the launch, UA operated once daily on SFO-ABQ. Now UA has 3 daily. I'm afraid UA will cut one or two once AS pulls out.

sfozrhfco

If that is the criteria they are using from SFO, then they may as well just shut down everything but flights to SEA/PDX and go back to their old network and give the gate space to another carrier.

milypan

Well, not give, but lease or sell (cf. LGA/DCA-DAL), but otherwise yeah.

fly18725

While the number of destinations may be down, I think the number of flights is pretty steady.

3Cforme

If not profitability, by what criteria would you have them determine whether a route stays or goes?

milypan

It's not clear sfozrhfco had another criteria in mind. S/he is simply pointing out that if we follow the current criteria to its logical conclusion, then the AS network will return to its original PNW-centered form.

Personally, my guess is that in the long run another merger becomes necessary. B6 is the obvious candidate, and in that case the question is which management team would run the new company. If you like AS more than B6 (controlling for location and route considerations), then I suppose you should hope that AS does better financially over the next few years than B6...

AS Flyer

Former VX cities gone from SFO since AS purchased them: DEN, FLL and CUN. (did I miss any?)

New cities added (and retained so far) to SFO since AS purchased them: PHL, RDU, BNA, MSY, MCI, BWI, KOA, SNA (did I miss any?)

Cities added and axed post acquisition: MEX, ABQ, IND, MSP (did I miss any?)

Since the VX acquisition it seems that there are more cities served from SFO than previous to it. Additionally, while there have been some cuts, AS has taken a chance in adding new markets that may not have seen service under VX management. Some worked, some didn't. The jury is out on a few others. Some here are acting as though the sky is falling but the network from SFO is larger than pre-acquisition while the number of flights has remained fairly steady. I think some here just have an axe to grind.

milypan

tphuang

routes like BNA, RDU, MCI will be gone at some point too. They are only doing marginally better than ABQ and IND. It's amazing ABQ survived as long as they did.

One thing for sure, they don't need those additional gate space.

ucdtim17

The axe doesn't come from nowhere. AS has limited resources and the spaghetti on the wall strategy at SFO necessarily comes at the expense of investment in other markets.

restrictonthehanger

Have AS1251 and AS1260 (AM JFK-LAS and redeye LAS-JFK) been discontinued? There was some availability in 2019, but I can't seem to find it now.

Eastbay1K

Is MEX also toast? Nothing showing in Jan / Feb.