UAPremierExec

I'm not sure I believe this was a "weather" cancellation, rather a lack of ground equipment to deal with the weather. If it was a traffic flow/ATC, they would have coded it as such. I think maybe its time the DOT looks at what is a "weather" cancellation. I feel bad for anyone who tried to fly PDX/SEA today.

0788/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
SEA ORIG 1135A CXLD WX
MSY 612P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

3SEA/ETD0330P 3.55L DUE WEATHER *1643
6SEA/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1705
2MSY/ETA0945P 3.33L PROJECTED *1643
1MSY/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1705


Few other delays:

3416/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 744A 920A 0F
SEA 835A TERM 1127A Q7

0F - FLIGHT OPERATIONS

3PDX/ETD0900A 1.16L DUE FUELING *1055
4PDX/OUT0920A 1.36L OFF0948A *1149
2SEA/ON 1017A IN 1127A 2.52L *1328

Ouch on this one

2752/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 800A 124P 0N
SEA 855A TERM 211P Q4

0N - ATC

3PDX/ETD0130P 5.30L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *1428
4PDX/OUT0124P 5.24L OFF0132P *1534
2SEA/ON 0202P IN 0211P 5.16L *1616

Hmm.. yet flight after took a 1 hour delay

3381/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 845A 939A 0W
SEA 945A TERM 1118A Q15

0W - WEATHER

3PDX/ETD0940A 0.55L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *0908
4PDX/OUT0939A 0.54L OFF1015A *1215
2SEA/ON 1047A IN 1118A 1.33L *1317

Cancellation originally due to weather, however it also shows late arrival of equipment, which means AS is supposed to reprotect everyone rather than say "good luck".

2044/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 950A CXLD WX
SEA 1044A TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

3PDX/ETD1056A 1.06L DUE LATE ARRIVAL *1036
6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1236
2SEA/ETA1143A 0.59L *1036
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1236


more ATC delays

3387/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 1006A 105P 0W
SEA 1100A TERM 209P Q8

0W - WEATHER

3PDX/ETD0100P 2.54L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *1449
4PDX/OUT0105P 2.59L OFF0117P *1517
2SEA/ON 0146P IN 0209P 3.09L *1610

same as other -- coded as weather cancel, but actually due to late equipment

2136/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 1038A CXLD WX
SEA 1141A TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

3PDX/ETD1212P 1.34L DUE LATE ARRIVAL *1129
6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1205
2SEA/ETA1258P 1.17L *1129
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1205

I'm starting to think Amtrak should have been full by now.

2458/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 1210P 156P 0N
SEA 101P TERM 444P Q1

0N - ATC

3PDX/ETD0200P 1.50L DUE LATE ARRIVAL *1558
4PDX/OUT0156P 1.46L OFF0202P *1603
2SEA/ON 0234P IN 0444P 3.43L *1846 <<<< ouch. 2 hours driving around SeaTac

2062/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 1147A 138P 0N
SEA 1250P TERM 410P Q13

0N - ATC

3PDX/ETD0142P 1.55L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *1535
4PDX/OUT0138P 1.51L OFF0150P *1552
2SEA/ON 0224P IN 0410P 3.20L *1812 [b] almost 2 hours on the ground in SeaTac[\b]

Poor souls. Only 19 minutes late departing, but they seemed to taxi around SeaTac for 2 hours. I think I would have been popping the overwing at this point, especially to be on a 50 seat CRJ.

3391/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 129P 148P 0R
SEA 220P TERM 438P HG

0R - RAMP

4PDX/OUT0148P 0.19L OFF0207P *1608
2SEA/ON 0238P IN 0438P 2.18L *1838

Still better than the souls booked on this one

0905/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 145P CXLD AT
SEA 238P TERM CXLD AT

AT - AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL - CANCELLATION

6PDX/DX XCLD AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL - CANCELLATION *1115
1SEA/LX XCLD AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL - CANCELLATION *1115

2190/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 208P CXLD WX
SEA 259P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

3PDX/ETD0350P 1.42L DUE LATE ARRIVAL *1650
6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1751
2SEA/ETA0437P 1.38L *1650
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1751

ouch. 2 hour delay then cancel. eek.

3393/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 235P CXLD WX
SEA 334P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

3PDX/ETD0517P 2.42L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *1436
6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1553
2SEA/ETA0616P 2.42L *1436
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1553

and another axed due to "weather".

2642/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 335P CXLD WX
SEA 426P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

3PDX/ETD0415P 0.40L DUE LATE ARRIVAL *1745
6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1831
2SEA/ETA0502P 0.36L *1745
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1831

Horizon didn't even bother to delay this one.

2898/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 447P CXLD WX
SEA 539P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1811
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1811

3395/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 453P CXLD WX
SEA 545P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1540
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1540

Oops, this one is due to crew. Plausible. But NOT weather related. hmm.

2284/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 535P 758P
SEA 626P TERM

3PDX/ETD0819P 2.44L DUE PILOT CREW *2117
4PDX/OUT0758P 2.23L OFF0838P *2242
2SEA/ETA0917P 2.51L *2241

looks like by evening things started to cooperate a bit

2114/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 632P 723P 0W
SEA 723P TERM 823P Q6

0W - WEATHER

3PDX/ETD0720P 0.48L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *2109
4PDX/OUT0723P 0.51L OFF0729P *2130
2SEA/ON 0759P IN 0823P 1.00L *2225

3388/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 700P 811P 0W
SEA 801P TERM

0W - WEATHER

3PDX/ETD0815P 1.15L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *2203
4PDX/OUT0811P 1.11L OFF0829P *2230
2SEA/ON 0858P *2259


ouch. "other cancellation" -- code SX. Wonder what this means. Pilots time out?

0589/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
BUR ORIG 655P 820P
PDX F 900P 910P CXLD SX
SEA 928P TERM CXLD SX

SX - OTHER CANCELLATION

3BUR/ETD0830P 1.35L DUE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL *2120
4BUR/OUT0820P 1.25L *2221
2PDX/ETA1030P 1.30L PROJECTED *2224
6PDX/DX XCLD OTHER CANCELLATION *2253
2SEA/ETA1146P 2.18L PROJECTED *2157
1SEA/LX XCLD OTHER CANCELLATION *2253


3405/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 935P CXLD WX
SEA 1029P TERM CXLD WX

WX - WEATHER - CANCELLATION

6PDX/DX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1838
1SEA/LX XCLD WEATHER - CANCELLATION *1838


No delay yet on this one.

3415/03NOV - FLIGHT ROUTING
SCHEDULE ACTUAL DELAY/CANCEL ARRIVAL
CITY ARRV DEPT ARRV DEPT CODES GATE
PDX ORIG 1126P
SEA 1218A TERM

Asquared1

Seems like they could have rented a few buses between SEA and PDX and gotten folks to their destination more efficiently. It doesn't sound like the weather had near the effect on traffic as it did SEA.

beckoa

Weather Advisory Extended into Saturday:

Flying for Fun

I am in YLW serviced by three flights on QX. The last inbound flight of the day overnights in Kelowna for the first flight out in the morning. Yesterday it started out rainy and turned to snow as the arctic air pushed south and mixed with the low pressure system. By this morning we had over 6" of snow on top of a skating rink. This is the earliest snowfall we have had since 2006 It is currently 19°F and expected to drop to 10°F. Evidently, the flight that arrived last night was canceled this morning. That is one aircraft out of the morning schdule and the effects "snowball."

Last year I was flying BCN-JFK-SEA-YLW. Just prior to boarding an AA flight in JFK an electrical storm passed over the airport. When we pushed back we were number 77 in the queue for takeoff. Approaching the 3 hour max wait time on the tarmac we returned to the gate and since the crew was out of time the flight was canceled. I was reaccommodated (and downgraded to 10 across Y in the middle section) on Philippine Airlines JFK-YVR. It was hours late too causing a misconnect in YVR for YVR-YLW. That was reaccommodated to a later YVR-YYJ-YLW. It was a grueling 38 hours from departing BCN. While inconvenient, I did make it home safely. My illustration shows how far reaching a one-hour weather event can be. JFK-YVR was delayed because of the backlog. Passengers waiting at YVR to join the flight were delayed and YVR-MNL was delayed 1/2 way around the world. If weather is even slightly in the "question" then I would prefer they error on the side of caution. What would the tone on the threads be if there was a weather related incident today?

I flew SEA-SFO-PVR on October 14th. The plane was on the ground overnight for the 6:00 am flight. After it was towed to the gate the plane was de-iced before boarding.

MonThruThurs

Now downgraded from F, in a middle seat, cant check in, and not on upgrade list.

Edit: I've been trying to figure out AS's approach to rebooking, and DO NOT understand the thought processes. It is infuriating.

Really #winning today, AS!

Dyoungman1

Left a snow storm in Calgary yesterday 6:00 am with no issues. Once in Seattle was onboard my 8:45 am flight to Boise in FC only to be told we had to deplane because de icing could take up to two hours. After about a three hour wait for some reason flight was cancelled. Immediately called MVP Priority line but never was able to get anyone to answer. I found an agent to rebook me on the next available 4:30 pm Q400 flight but was able to get an open seat on the noon 737 flight, row 26 middle seat! Once we boarded we sat on the plane at the gate for two hours waiting for de icing. The 4:30 flight I was originally rebooked on has my luggage which I still don’t have, was so delayed it didn’t get to Boise until after midnight. SeaTac was a zoo yesterday.

MonThruThurs

Alaska's offer is only 5K in miles or $125 voucher. I also had to call, AGAIN nothing proactive.

This is a disgrace.

SanDiego1K

My husband misconnected Thursday night due to late inbound aircraft (on AS). He missed his SEA-SAN flight. There was no availability til the Friday 4pm flight to SAN so he got AS to rebook him on the 6am SEA-SNA flight. They boarded and the ramp could not be retracted. A new plane was found and passengers were moved to it. Then the plane had to be deiced due to the snow. He arrived in Santa Ana almost 3 hours late. He had to rent a car to drive to San Diego to pick up his truck. At least he got home. I see that AS canceled 3 of their 6 SEA-SAN flights yesterday.

AS sent him a $75 voucher.

Repooc17

AS700 to PDX is taxiing on time. I will consider myself lucky.

robsaw

The issue is not about taking the weather seriously and delaying or cancelling due to weather. The issue is using "weather" as the primary reason for the delay or cancellation when it is perhaps not and avoiding liability for compenstion.

beckoa

Well it does seem AS is issuing discount codes still...

Orwaid

Hi -

Wow. Just .... wow.

I had already avoided QX flights for all the obvious reasons. Now it seems like I may have to start avoiding AS mainline through SEA also?

I have two trips scheduled this week, then I will hit 75K. All flights out of PDX and avoiding Seattle. Methinks I will have to book away from AS for the rest of the year's travels.

Sad that it has come to this. I have to think that at some point it will start to really impact AS. The fact that there is still basically no information from the Executive Suite to their customers is completely appalling. Brad (through one of his minions) needs to be putting out a weekly update to everyone, warts and all.

Also, to everyone's point upthread, AS needs to be a lot more customer-centric than they have been. The DL method of "here's a few miles for your account, now go away" might be OK for a one-off issue, but simply does not cut it anymore.

As people find alternatives, they will return to those alternatives and won't come back to AS. A sad lesson they are about to discover.

MonThruThurs

That's not the issue. A lot of outstations had cancelled flights and stranded pax because AS's ops couldnt handle some sleet. The last of deicing equipment is an operational problem - other airlines, while delayed, were operating.

The ORD manager told me I should be more understanding because I'm a 75K. Excuse me? You just stranded me and now you're telling me I need to go find my own accomodation.

Absolutely terrible.

Jimgotkp

Yeah that's ridiculous. I would definitely send a complaint about that.

sltlyamusd

This has nothing to do with problems at AS or QX. The Seattle airport was a mess and all airlines were experiencing disruptions. If you look at Delta, over 90% of flights ex-SEA were delayed yesterday, most were severely delayed. Whenever there is freezing rain, sleet, snow...basically anything that requires large-scale deicing, this airport seems to grind to halt. Furthermore, low visibility and north operations were reducing the number of planes per hour that could land, leading to delays at the point of origin as well. Things are worse now due to the gate shortage, because planes can't push off the gate until deicing occurs and arriving aircraft are left driving around the tarmac waiting for a gate. Most airports that have lots of winter weather have deicing pads, but at SEA deicing happens at the gate which causes this logjam. You would think after a while the Port of Seattle would figure out to better manage winter operations, but they seem unable to so far.