Horizon v. Skywest

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Jul 11, 2016 | 1:58 pm
  #1  
Several years ago Horizon operated the flights SEA-YEG, but now it's Skywest.

How long has Alaska used Skywest?

And why would Alaska want to bring in Skywest when it already has Horizon?
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Jul 11, 2016 | 2:10 pm
  #2  
Heres some information on it.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2011/...s-via-skywest/

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It becomes more economical for Horizon to lease the aircraft through Skywest since they have many more CRJs in their fleet, allowing economies of scale that Horizon or Alaska cannot match.
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Jul 11, 2016 | 3:09 pm
  #3  
Do Horizon routes generally stay Horizon routes? OO E175s get mixed in with 737s on routes like PDX-SFO/SJC, SEA-OAK, while PDX-OAK is forever and always 3x Q400. Is there a logistical or contractual reason for that, or is it just that they figure there's a slightly higher return on an F cabin on those routes?
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Jul 11, 2016 | 3:29 pm
  #4  
As I understand it Skywest is operating CRJ's and E175's on routes over 400 miles. They will be joined by Horizon next year when they begin taking delivery of their E175's. Most people dont enjoy a multi hour Q400 trip.
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Jul 11, 2016 | 3:48 pm
  #5  
Quote: Do Horizon routes generally stay Horizon routes? OO E175s get mixed in with 737s on routes like PDX-SFO/SJC, SEA-OAK, while PDX-OAK is forever and always 3x Q400. Is there a logistical or contractual reason for that, or is it just that they figure there's a slightly higher return on an F cabin on those routes?
OMA-SEA started as a Skywest route and was recently upgraded to Mainline AS.
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Jul 11, 2016 | 4:11 pm
  #6  
Quote: As I understand it Skywest is operating CRJ's and E175's on routes over 400 miles. They will be joined by Horizon next year when they begin taking delivery of their E175's. Most people dont enjoy a multi hour Q400 trip.
PDX-OAK is 540 miles, PDX-SMF 480, SEA-RNO 564, SEA-STS 619. Hopefully these will all be getting E175s soon after they come on board.
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Jul 11, 2016 | 4:14 pm
  #7  
Quote: OMA-SEA started as a Skywest route and was recently upgraded to Mainline AS.
PDX-SJC was Horizon until a year or two ago, but it seems very rare for a Q400 route to be upguaged to mainline (or E175).
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Jul 11, 2016 | 8:31 pm
  #8  
Just to muddy the waters, the SEA-PDX market has had all three operating on the same day, although I think it's just QX and AS right now.

Have yet to fly mainline on this route. I had one booked but moved to an earlier flight and got home an hour earlier. Love that free standby for everyone!
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Jul 11, 2016 | 8:45 pm
  #9  
Quote: Several years ago Horizon operated the flights SEA-YEG, but now it's Skywest.

How long has Alaska used Skywest?

And why would Alaska want to bring in Skywest when it already has Horizon?
See:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alask...ate-cr7-s.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alask...w-skywest.html

When the Skywest agreement started Tilden said the following:
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Alaska Airlines president Brad Tilden says SkyWest will operate the five CRJ700s primarily on routes between California and Pacific Northwest. These routes are currently served with Horizon CRJ700s but Tilden explains they are too long for Q400s and too thin to be up-gauged to Alaska mainline Boeing 737s.
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Jul 13, 2016 | 12:52 am
  #10  
I would think QX pilots would be teed off by OO pilots flying ostensibly better planes. At least QX is getting the E175 (and lots of them) soon!
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Jul 16, 2016 | 8:31 pm
  #11  
Quote: I would think QX pilots would be teed off by OO pilots flying ostensibly better planes. At least QX is getting the E175 (and lots of them) soon!
This is a weird statement. I'm pretty sure pilots don't have any influence on Alaska deciding which planes they want on which routes. Why the pilot group from one airline to another would be mad is beyond me.
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Jul 17, 2016 | 2:35 pm
  #12  
Quote: This is a weird statement. I'm pretty sure pilots don't have any influence on Alaska deciding which planes they want on which routes. Why the pilot group from one airline to another would be mad is beyond me.
Alaska Air Group Inc
  • Aiaska Airlines
  • Horizon Air

Skywest, Inc
  • SkyWest Airlines
  • ExpressJet

I can see why pilots of Horizon would be upset that AAG are subcontracting jobs to an outside company. It doesn't seem weird to me at all.
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Jul 18, 2016 | 7:33 am
  #13  
Perhaps the vision for the future, since the CR7s are out in November, IIRC, is that AS will untie their relationship with OO and rely on the QX operated Embraers.
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Jul 18, 2016 | 8:21 am
  #14  
Quote: Perhaps the vision for the future, since the CR7s are out in November, IIRC, is that AS will untie their relationship with OO and rely on the QX operated Embraers.
It was stated around the time of the QX Embraer order that they'll be complements to the OO E175s, not replacements.
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Jul 18, 2016 | 9:10 am
  #15  
If they were planning to get out of OO flying, they probably wouldn't keep announcing new routes (including routes starting after QX E175 deliveries start in March)
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