Should NZ bring back Business from CHC TT?
Jan 28, 2024, 3:29 pm
#16
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The J service on the 77W/789 is the polar opposite of the model of service on the Airbuses, its like they are two different airlines. It seems so strange that on the 77W/789 they offer a full table service meal, and not on a single tray.
It was a odd move removing Freedom Air (SJ), maybe could of done with a rebrand. But think NZ should of keep a LCC around, and make it clear who they are.
Jan 28, 2024, 8:41 pm
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Jan 28, 2024, 8:49 pm
#18
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Sometime I think the narrow A320/321 flights on the Tasman, should be run under another brand or at least a sub brand.
The J service on the 77W/789 is the polar opposite of the model of service on the Airbuses, its like they are two different airlines. It seems so strange that on the 77W/789 they offer a full table service meal, and not on a single tray.
It was a odd move removing Freedom Air (SJ), maybe could of done with a rebrand. But think NZ should of keep a LCC around, and make it clear who they are.
The J service on the 77W/789 is the polar opposite of the model of service on the Airbuses, its like they are two different airlines. It seems so strange that on the 77W/789 they offer a full table service meal, and not on a single tray.
It was a odd move removing Freedom Air (SJ), maybe could of done with a rebrand. But think NZ should of keep a LCC around, and make it clear who they are.
Jan 28, 2024, 8:56 pm
#19
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I'm honestly a bit gutted about WD going, as it has been a real boon when travelling with an infant/toddler too young to have their own seat (but it guarantees nobody sat next to us, i.e. we won't annoy other passengers). Of course toddlers soon get big enough to have their own seat - as mine almost is - but it's helpful to have the choice.
Jan 28, 2024, 9:08 pm
#20
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My understanding when they did Zeal There were no A320s in mainline fleet.
Jan 28, 2024, 9:33 pm
#21
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In the last couple of years of SJ, the Zeal 320 crews would operate both NZ/SJ flights all in NZ uniforms. There was a couple of a320’s painted as SJ, but they all got repainted as NZ. So you would go on a SJ flight, with a plane painted as NZ and crew in a NZ uniform. At least they offered J on the NZ coded flights. On the SJ flights from memory the J seats were sold as something like “the big seats”.
Jan 29, 2024, 2:51 am
#22
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Once QF get their A220s on stream I’d expect them to make a concerted push into the NZ market with more frequencies that are “right sized” for the route - you already see it happening with the new E190 service BNE-WLG. And Cam Wallace, ex NZ now at QF, is no fool.
Jan 29, 2024, 11:24 am
#23
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The Alliance E190 is primarily there only because QF mainline is stretched to capacity as well. You can easily argue the E190 is too small for the WLG-BNE route which is probably only at around 70% of pre Covid capacity. Like SYD-WLG there are people having to fly via AKL to get there due to the poor capacity and flight timings from/to WLG.
Maybe there could be the potential for a NTL-AKL service now that they will have an international terminal and the use of a smaller plane might make sense to test the waters, but there really is nowhere else in NZ (such as HLZ / ROT) that will ever see international flights again.
Jan 29, 2024, 12:53 pm
#24
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Don't think it's intentional. Having 4-5 brand new A320/321 grounded due to the Pratt and Whitney engine issues doesn't help growing capacity....
Jan 29, 2024, 8:39 pm
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Thanks for all the replies! I do agree with quite a few of you who point out that there would probably be little premium demand out of CHC (and WEL) but it still means that NZ loses what premium demand there is to QF/EK. Also understand of course that EK and QF benefit from connecting passengers who are flying long haul in J
But if NZ had a premium offering out of CHC/WEL could they not code share to connecting flights from SYD/MEL and earn revenue that way? i mean right now those pax are just lost completely to One World or EK
Or of course look at operating some long haul out of CHC. Surely if others can make it work NZ could?
But if NZ had a premium offering out of CHC/WEL could they not code share to connecting flights from SYD/MEL and earn revenue that way? i mean right now those pax are just lost completely to One World or EK
Or of course look at operating some long haul out of CHC. Surely if others can make it work NZ could?
Jan 29, 2024, 9:01 pm
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Thanks for all the replies! I do agree with quite a few of you who point out that there would probably be little premium demand out of CHC (and WEL) but it still means that NZ loses what premium demand there is to QF/EK. Also understand of course that EK and QF benefit from connecting passengers who are flying long haul in J
But if NZ had a premium offering out of CHC/WEL could they not code share to connecting flights from SYD/MEL and earn revenue that way? i mean right now those pax are just lost completely to One World or EK
Or of course look at operating some long haul out of CHC. Surely if others can make it work NZ could?
But if NZ had a premium offering out of CHC/WEL could they not code share to connecting flights from SYD/MEL and earn revenue that way? i mean right now those pax are just lost completely to One World or EK
Or of course look at operating some long haul out of CHC. Surely if others can make it work NZ could?
Suspect with some of the other airlines out of CHC they will know how sticky the pax to the home country airline vs pax would pick either airline. Hope many are tourists vs NZ origin?
Jan 29, 2024, 9:05 pm
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Singapore has business out of CHC and AKL. What *A carries would you pick up in Sydney for onwards connection?
Suspect with some of the other airlines out of CHC they will know how sticky the pax to the home country airline vs pax would pick either airline. Hope many are tourists vs NZ origin?
Suspect with some of the other airlines out of CHC they will know how sticky the pax to the home country airline vs pax would pick either airline. Hope many are tourists vs NZ origin?
not sure re the other airlines, but I would think CX, EK, and CE all pick up a fair amount of NZ residents. I guess United is probably many US tourists
Jan 29, 2024, 9:30 pm
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Auckland you have to change terminals and deal with that horrible AKL international, its bad on departures and terrible on arrivals. If you had the choice in CHC why would you fly NZ and have to deal with that?
Jan 29, 2024, 9:35 pm
#30
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Yeah to make it worthwhile for LH by AirNZ would need a few flights everyday and a rotation that cycles planes through CHC without domestic to/from Auckland. Then need to plan out how you can get crew and standby crew to CHC as they would deadhead & require accommodation as there is no 787 crew base in CHC. Though some CHC crew who commute from CHC may like it.