Wet Leases summer 22/23

Old Oct 14, 2022, 5:13 pm
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Wet Leases summer 22/23

Looks like AirNZ is toying with domestic wet leases to help them with summer 22/23 demand and heading into a another COVID wave with I guess increased staff sickness.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/300713123/air-nz-may-bring-in-aircraft-and-crew-from-overseas-amid-surge-of-summer-bookings
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 5:22 pm
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Air New Zealand CEO Greg Foran says the airline is looking at leasing aircraft and crew from overseas to get it through the summer period off the back of heavy domestic bookings.
Foreign crew on domestic routes would be an interesting industrial relations (union) issue & NZ employment law issue. Unless they were put on short haul international routes. But when he govt is also majority owner(board appointees) things can happen.

Qantas have NZ Jetconect(QF NZ) crew on some QF international routes
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 6:05 pm
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Likely easier to substitute on domestic routes though since avoids complexity with the different cabin types/seats on long haul (eg. Having to credit all the Skycouch bookings etc)
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We have seen hifly operate previously covering some Trans-Tasman and Islands routes, but interesting how the manage this on a domestic level and with who.
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 7:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Rebound
We have seen hifly operate previously covering some Trans-Tasman and Islands routes, but interesting how the manage this on a domestic level and with who.
Guessing will be northern hemisphere & someone who has all there narrow bodies back & crew current, from the northern summer, so has sone extra capacity over their winter.

Hi fly does have an a couple of a321s. So might be a contender.
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 8:10 pm
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Likely easier to substitute on domestic routes though since avoids complexity with the different cabin types/seats on long haul (eg. Having to credit all the Skycouch bookings etc)
Do any short haul international routes sell Skycouch?
Or any narrow body routes?
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
Do any short haul international routes sell Skycouch?
Or any narrow body routes?
SkyCouch on 789 is sold AKL-PER and HNL, but not to NAN.
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 9:17 pm
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Well looks like VH-SYO turned up in AKL today (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-syo) its a BAE 146-200 from Pionair, anyone know what its doing in AKL?

Could it be here to visit NZ, Pionair has a coupe of passenger BAE146s and with Australian crew it would be a rather simple to get them operating domestically.

Another option for wet-leases for Domestic, could be Alliance Airlines from Aussie?
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 9:34 pm
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Well looks like VH-SYO turned up in AKL today (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-syo) its a BAE 146-200 from Pionair, anyone know what its doing in AKL?

Could it be here to visit NZ, Pionair has a coupe of passenger BAE146s and with Australian crew it would be a rather simple to get them operating domestically.

Another option for wet-leases for Domestic, could be Alliance Airlines from Aussie?
Would it be big enough? Often over holidays they run some wide bodies akl-chc so can do some more a320 WLG-chc freeing up a atr72s for some regional routes.

Also VH-SYO looks like it is heading back to Aussie now (flying a non etdo route).

With the Aussie summer will Aussie airlines have an excess of planes? They were just scraping through the winter school holidays.
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Old Oct 14, 2022, 11:40 pm
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There is no shortage of planes for domestic or short-haul routes... First domestic 321N is here soon as well.
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There is no shortage of planes for domestic or short-haul routes... First domestic 321N is here soon as well.
Could be more crewing shortages, with more long haul capacity ramping back up. Wet leasing in some domestic capacity, would allow them to place some a320 crews on secomment to the 777/787 fleets over summer.
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Could be more crewing shortages, with more long haul capacity ramping back up. Wet leasing in some domestic capacity, would allow them to place some a320 crews on secomment to the 777/787 fleets over summer.
The overhead needed to train and qualify 320 crew onto 789/77W makes this idea a challenge.
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Old Oct 15, 2022, 2:56 am
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Originally Posted by Thai-Kiwi
The overhead needed to train and qualify 320 crew onto 789/77W makes this idea a challenge.
Or just to help the training pipeline. As they bring on more 777s there will be more crew slots on the wide bodies, so gives them a bit of breathing room with the training.
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Old Oct 15, 2022, 3:25 am
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Could be more crewing shortages, with more long haul capacity ramping back up. Wet leasing in some domestic capacity, would allow them to place some a320 crews on secomment to the 777/787 fleets over summer.
Despite what the NZ Herald have reported the wet lease (if it goes ahead) is not for domestic. I have no idea where they got that from. It will be used on one specific international route.
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Old Oct 16, 2022, 5:23 am
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Wet lease domestic ain't happening in less than 6 months for one simple reason: work visas for the crews. Ain't no way in hell they could be processed in less than six-to-nine months. There's a reason wet leases tend to be on international routes.
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