SP on connecting flights
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2020
Programs: OWE
Posts: 2
SP on connecting flights
Hi all
Just wanted to run something past those that know more about airpoints than me. I'm new to AirNZ.
Recently flew MEL-AKL-IAH-DEN return with NZ/UA.
Works deluxe (Y) for MEL-AKL, business (J) for the rest.
By my calculations on the airpoints calculator this should have scored me the following status points:
MEL-AKL = 104
AKL-IAH = 304
IAH-DEN = 50.
So on a return trip >900 and therefore Gold. Not the intention of the itinerary but a happy coincidence when I sat down and worked it out.
However, for the outbound portion I've been credited 296 status points as an all in one MEL-IAH route.
Is this normal? I've never had a FF programme that's not credited status points for each individual leg of the itinerary?
Bizarrely, on the inbound I've had the IAH-AKL credit separately as I expected with 304 SP. The AKL-MEL leg hasn't appeared in my account yet (flight was <72 hours ago).
I've spoken to the call centre who said they'd raise it but didn't seem to really know anything.
Can anyone more in the know explain if AirNZ only takes into account origin and destination rather than individual legs for SP?
Just wanted to run something past those that know more about airpoints than me. I'm new to AirNZ.
Recently flew MEL-AKL-IAH-DEN return with NZ/UA.
Works deluxe (Y) for MEL-AKL, business (J) for the rest.
By my calculations on the airpoints calculator this should have scored me the following status points:
MEL-AKL = 104
AKL-IAH = 304
IAH-DEN = 50.
So on a return trip >900 and therefore Gold. Not the intention of the itinerary but a happy coincidence when I sat down and worked it out.
However, for the outbound portion I've been credited 296 status points as an all in one MEL-IAH route.
Is this normal? I've never had a FF programme that's not credited status points for each individual leg of the itinerary?
Bizarrely, on the inbound I've had the IAH-AKL credit separately as I expected with 304 SP. The AKL-MEL leg hasn't appeared in my account yet (flight was <72 hours ago).
I've spoken to the call centre who said they'd raise it but didn't seem to really know anything.
Can anyone more in the know explain if AirNZ only takes into account origin and destination rather than individual legs for SP?
#2
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 21,560
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Air NZ credits on the basis of the "trip" start to end, no matter what the route
Air NZ aipoints is a bad as any ffp can be. Only useful if flying a lot (only) on Air NZ and/or if the NZ fare booking class credits 0% to other ffp and/or can get airpoints from non flying sources
Next time credit to UA ffpr or another Star Alliance ffp
Hi all
Just wanted to run something past those that know more about airpoints than me. I'm new to AirNZ.
Recently flew MEL-AKL-IAH-DEN return with NZ/UA.
Works deluxe (Y) for MEL-AKL, business (J) for the rest.
By my calculations on the airpoints calculator this should have scored me the following status points:
MEL-AKL = 104
AKL-IAH = 304
IAH-DEN = 50.
So on a return trip >900 and therefore Gold. Not the intention of the itinerary but a happy coincidence when I sat down and worked it out.
However, for the outbound portion I've been credited 296 status points as an all in one MEL-IAH route.
Is this normal? I've never had a FF programme that's not credited status points for each individual leg of the itinerary?
Bizarrely, on the inbound I've had the IAH-AKL credit separately as I expected with 304 SP. The AKL-MEL leg hasn't appeared in my account yet (flight was <72 hours ago).
I've spoken to the call centre who said they'd raise it but didn't seem to really know anything.
Can anyone more in the know explain if AirNZ only takes into account origin and destination rather than individual legs for SP?
Just wanted to run something past those that know more about airpoints than me. I'm new to AirNZ.
Recently flew MEL-AKL-IAH-DEN return with NZ/UA.
Works deluxe (Y) for MEL-AKL, business (J) for the rest.
By my calculations on the airpoints calculator this should have scored me the following status points:
MEL-AKL = 104
AKL-IAH = 304
IAH-DEN = 50.
So on a return trip >900 and therefore Gold. Not the intention of the itinerary but a happy coincidence when I sat down and worked it out.
However, for the outbound portion I've been credited 296 status points as an all in one MEL-IAH route.
Is this normal? I've never had a FF programme that's not credited status points for each individual leg of the itinerary?
Bizarrely, on the inbound I've had the IAH-AKL credit separately as I expected with 304 SP. The AKL-MEL leg hasn't appeared in my account yet (flight was <72 hours ago).
I've spoken to the call centre who said they'd raise it but didn't seem to really know anything.
Can anyone more in the know explain if AirNZ only takes into account origin and destination rather than individual legs for SP?
Air NZ aipoints is a bad as any ffp can be. Only useful if flying a lot (only) on Air NZ and/or if the NZ fare booking class credits 0% to other ffp and/or can get airpoints from non flying sources
Next time credit to UA ffpr or another Star Alliance ffp
#3
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,402
As pointed out SP earn is journey based . You need to enter MEL-IAH to in the calculator. SP earn would have also been shown during the booking.
#4
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2020
Programs: OWE
Posts: 2
Thanks for that guys. I'd never used airpoints before it just seemed opportune based on the ability to earn gold status in one trip when I was figuring out where to credit. Obviously should have rung the too good to be true alarms. Never mind, lesson learnt!
I booked through a TA so didn't have the earn rates at booking.
I booked through a TA so didn't have the earn rates at booking.
#6
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 78
Just out of curiosity, what if it's a non NZ ticketed journey, would the same thing apply? Also what would happen if you accrued on a different FFP for one leg, and retroactively claimed a separate leg on Airpoints? I have done something similar before but not on a NZ issued ticket.
#7
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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The journey principle applies if crediting consecutive legs involving NZ flights to Airpoints, independent of how ticketed. If credit flights to different FFPs then earning reverts to per flight segment.
#8
Join Date: Jul 2019
Programs: NZ*G
Posts: 47
Kiwi Flyer never mind, I've done some googling.
Last edited by Balancerider; Feb 22, 2020 at 1:53 pm
#9
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 78
Maybe I just don't fly enough but some parts of Airpoints is really confusing for the casual flyer.
#10
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Similar topic in another thread---> Is this ok?
#11
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,402
On that note, can you split different NZ legs to different FFPs? I once retroactively claimed one leg to NZ, and they gave me the Airpoints for both directions. It worked out for me because I actually lost the boarding pass for one of flights, but I could see someone wanting to accrue one leg one on program and one leg on another.
Maybe I just don't fly enough but some parts of Airpoints is really confusing for the casual flyer.
Maybe I just don't fly enough but some parts of Airpoints is really confusing for the casual flyer.
#12
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 400
On that note, can you split different NZ legs to different FFPs? I once retroactively claimed one leg to NZ, and they gave me the Airpoints for both directions. It worked out for me because I actually lost the boarding pass for one of flights, but I could see someone wanting to accrue one leg one on program and one leg on another.
Maybe I just don't fly enough but some parts of Airpoints is really confusing for the casual flyer.
Maybe I just don't fly enough but some parts of Airpoints is really confusing for the casual flyer.
#13
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 78
I think you mean Air NZ is confusing for the frequent flyer. 99% of pax are casual who fly Air NZ and belong to Airpoints and that's all that matters. They wouldn't have a clue what a FQTV or FQTS is or even that there are different FPP's than Airpoints that they could credit to. It's only when you start trying to cross credit that things become confusing.
#14
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,402
If you look at say a WLG-SYD for $341 (current sale that I booked) $198 of that is tax and $142 goes to Air NZ. You get 7 SP each way for those flights, and would get 8 SP on a typical $69 main trunk NZ domestic jet service and 4 SP on a $69 regional domestic service (yes I know that's not allowing for NZ domestic tax but that's not factored in the same way - a $89 flight inside NZ will still only give 8 / 4 SP)
Some of the full fare economy and discounted BP fares on TT routes represent some of the best earn rates across the whole network.
#15
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 78
They're not really less. Remember SP earn is exclusive of tax, and that flights between NZ and AU are some of the highest taxed routes in the world.
If you look at say a WLG-SYD for $341 (current sale that I booked) $198 of that is tax and $142 goes to Air NZ. You get 7 SP each way for those flights, and would get 8 SP on a typical $69 main trunk NZ domestic jet service and 4 SP on a $69 regional domestic service (yes I know that's not allowing for NZ domestic tax but that's not factored in the same way - a $89 flight inside NZ will still only give 8 / 4 SP)
Some of the full fare economy and discounted BP fares on TT routes represent some of the best earn rates across the whole network.
If you look at say a WLG-SYD for $341 (current sale that I booked) $198 of that is tax and $142 goes to Air NZ. You get 7 SP each way for those flights, and would get 8 SP on a typical $69 main trunk NZ domestic jet service and 4 SP on a $69 regional domestic service (yes I know that's not allowing for NZ domestic tax but that's not factored in the same way - a $89 flight inside NZ will still only give 8 / 4 SP)
Some of the full fare economy and discounted BP fares on TT routes represent some of the best earn rates across the whole network.
I guess a reason I get a bit confused is that my TTs are often part of non-NZ ticket that books into something like K or L, which makes it hard to tell how much that segment is 'worth'. Along side the fact that I can rarely take cheap domestics, which means $400 odd for a AKL-WLG return.