Different ATR Configuration
Jul 12, 2018, 3:29 pm
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Different ATR Configuration
Has anyone else had the "pleasure" of flying in the differently configured ATR NZ is currently using? The FA told me it is a single example sourced from a European airline.
It has 17 rows with an extra two seats (18A & 18B) situated next to a lengthened "galley" and storage area. It is similarly configured to the "good old days" of the NZ ATR 500, when there were 16 rows and two seats in row 17 next to the galley, with more comfortable non-reclining seats (the recline was, quite sensibly, disabled).
In this current aircraft they have fitted in an extra row, and it looks and feels like seat pitch has decreased, bringing the ATR pain to a new level.
Does anyone know what the origin of the plane is?
It has 17 rows with an extra two seats (18A & 18B) situated next to a lengthened "galley" and storage area. It is similarly configured to the "good old days" of the NZ ATR 500, when there were 16 rows and two seats in row 17 next to the galley, with more comfortable non-reclining seats (the recline was, quite sensibly, disabled).
In this current aircraft they have fitted in an extra row, and it looks and feels like seat pitch has decreased, bringing the ATR pain to a new level.
Does anyone know what the origin of the plane is?
Jul 12, 2018, 3:48 pm
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https://www.caa.govt.nz/script/air-m...?Model_ID=1970
There currently 19x 72-600s registered in New Zealand, all of which look like they we're directly delivered to NZ?
Was it painted as NZ and had an ZK-*** registration? May of been that someone rejected an delivery and NZ was able to get one delivered earlier?
There currently 19x 72-600s registered in New Zealand, all of which look like they we're directly delivered to NZ?
Was it painted as NZ and had an ZK-*** registration? May of been that someone rejected an delivery and NZ was able to get one delivered earlier?
Jul 12, 2018, 4:06 pm
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FA didn't know what they were talking about.
The last 2 (maybe 3?) ATRs that have arrived are all in this config. All new aircraft received going forward will also have 18 rows but only 17 rows (68 seats) will be allocated on seat select.
NZ may look also look at a higher density option for a handful of these aircraft.
The last 2 (maybe 3?) ATRs that have arrived are all in this config. All new aircraft received going forward will also have 18 rows but only 17 rows (68 seats) will be allocated on seat select.
NZ may look also look at a higher density option for a handful of these aircraft.
Jul 12, 2018, 6:35 pm
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This sounds very much like MVO. Built for another operator who then cancelled the order. The completed but undelivered frame was then purchased by Air New Zealand/Mount Cook. It has a small number of differences both up the front and down the back but the slightly different cabin configuration is the give away. It's finally meant to have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.
With the greatest of respect, the cabin crew did know what they're talking about. MVO is the only odd one out.
FA didn't know what they were talking about.
The last 2 (maybe 3?) ATRs that have arrived are all in this config. All new aircraft received going forward will also have 18 rows but only 17 rows (68 seats) will be allocated on seat select.
NZ may look also look at a higher density option for a handful of these aircraft.
The last 2 (maybe 3?) ATRs that have arrived are all in this config. All new aircraft received going forward will also have 18 rows but only 17 rows (68 seats) will be allocated on seat select.
NZ may look also look at a higher density option for a handful of these aircraft.
Last edited by waterwingsNZ; Jul 12, 2018 at 11:40 pm
Jul 12, 2018, 8:24 pm
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This sounds very much like MVO. Built for another operated who then cancelled the order. The completed but undelivered frame was then purchased by Air New Zealand/Mount Cook. It has a small number of differences both up the front and down the back but the slightly different cabin configuration is the give away. It's finally meant to have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.
Jul 13, 2018, 12:31 am
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This sounds very much like MVO. Built for another operator who then cancelled the order. The completed but undelivered frame was then purchased by Air New Zealand/Mount Cook. It has a small number of differences both up the front and down the back but the slightly different cabin configuration is the give away. It's finally meant to have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.
With the greatest of respect, the cabin crew did know what they're talking about. MVO is the only odd one out.
With the greatest of respect, the cabin crew did know what they're talking about. MVO is the only odd one out.
I am not sure how they do it but Iberia has 20 rows on their ATR's. I flew TAP ATR last year to Bilbao and they squeezed more than Air NZ on but I couldn't see how as they had similar cabinetry and the leg room seemed similar. I also flew the Czech ATR and they even have a business class at the back, though they only load 16 rows on board.
Jul 13, 2018, 3:28 am
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This sounds very much like MVO. Built for another operator who then cancelled the order. The completed but undelivered frame was then purchased by Air New Zealand/Mount Cook. It has a small number of differences both up the front and down the back but the slightly different cabin configuration is the give away. It's finally meant to have a cabin reconfiguration next month to match the rest of the fleet.
With the greatest of respect, the cabin crew did know what they're talking about. MVO is the only odd one out.
With the greatest of respect, the cabin crew did know what they're talking about. MVO is the only odd one out.
Jul 13, 2018, 3:06 pm
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Jul 13, 2018, 3:23 pm
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Yip clearly my info was wrong. I was told earlier in the year that all arrivals from 2018 onwards (of which there have now been two in the past couple of months and another due soon) would be in the new 70 seat config. It would seem like that's not the case.
Air NZ have explored a higher density option, and I believe the -600 is rated for a maximum of 78 seats.
Air NZ have explored a higher density option, and I believe the -600 is rated for a maximum of 78 seats.
Jul 13, 2018, 3:27 pm
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Jul 13, 2018, 5:51 pm
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Yip clearly my info was wrong. I was told earlier in the year that all arrivals from 2018 onwards (of which there have now been two in the past couple of months and another due soon) would be in the new 70 seat config. It would seem like that's not the case.
Air NZ have explored a higher density option, and I believe the -600 is rated for a maximum of 78 seats.
Air NZ have explored a higher density option, and I believe the -600 is rated for a maximum of 78 seats.
AF (HOP) has 74 seats on its 72-600s with 19 rows, that must be very tight on the legroom front.
Jul 13, 2018, 10:38 pm
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The overheads are removed and pax bunks are installed and sold as 'mandatory lie flat J". You can get up to 6 J pax down each side this way. HTH.