"Streamlined Travel Trial"
Sep 19, 2018, 10:11 pm
#16
Join Date: Feb 2007
Programs: NZ Koru
Posts: 6,415
At the end of the day New Zealand is one of the hardest non-third world country (although AKL could be classed as third world).
Ideally if they should be pushing AKL for an arrivals area for prosessing passengers that have arrived from Australia, and drop half of the restrictions.
Sep 20, 2018, 2:53 am
#17
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: BNE
Programs: NZ*G, QF Bronze, VA Red
Posts: 563
I'm curious why it is that people arriving from countries with exit screening (e.g. Australia, United States) are treated the same as those from countries who let any man, their dogs, and associated pests board a plane without a glance.
Sep 20, 2018, 3:04 am
#18
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,650
What exit screening does the US do? International departures is not sterile in the US and international and domestic can intermingle.
Sep 20, 2018, 3:38 am
#19
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: BNE
Programs: NZ*G, QF Bronze, VA Red
Posts: 563
??? I'm not aware of any countries that do bio security on exit. Other than trade in illegal animals what are you protecting with bio security on exit?
What exit screening does the US do? International departures is not sterile in the US and international and domestic can intermingle.
What exit screening does the US do? International departures is not sterile in the US and international and domestic can intermingle.
Sep 20, 2018, 5:33 am
#20
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Auckland
Programs: NZ*E
Posts: 186
As others have said above, outbound neither Australia nor the US have any form of customs screening, nor is there any customs screening when you transit either location. TSA or any form of aviation security is not going to care about that apple you might be carrying for an in flight snack, but as per Top of climb's post not far above - NZ customs most definitely will!
Sep 20, 2018, 11:46 am
#21
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,138
Are you confusing Security and Customs screening - two very different things?
As others have said above, outbound neither Australia nor the US have any form of customs screening, nor is there any customs screening when you transit either location. TSA or any form of aviation security is not going to care about that apple you might be carrying for an in flight snack, but as per Top of climb's post not far above - NZ customs most definitely will!
As others have said above, outbound neither Australia nor the US have any form of customs screening, nor is there any customs screening when you transit either location. TSA or any form of aviation security is not going to care about that apple you might be carrying for an in flight snack, but as per Top of climb's post not far above - NZ customs most definitely will!
Sep 20, 2018, 8:07 pm
#23
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 370
Don’t see how that would be any different to now - you would still be subject to chance of random search and would be prosecuted or fined etc if had made an incorrect declaration - that is no different to someone making incorrect declaration that nil to declare and using existing Green Lane - there is already the chance of random search, fine/prosecution/ seizure etc if incorrect declaration. Slightly off topic I’m staggered to see the number of elderly (of whom by statistics many of which are likely to be on at least some medication) using the Green Lane and not declaring medications.
Sep 20, 2018, 11:05 pm
#25
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: CHC
Programs: NZ*S, IHG D
Posts: 97
Don’t see how that would be any different to now - you would still be subject to chance of random search and would be prosecuted or fined etc if had made an incorrect declaration - that is no different to someone making incorrect declaration that nil to declare and using existing Green Lane - there is already the chance of random search, fine/prosecution/ seizure etc if incorrect declaration. Slightly off topic I’m staggered to see the number of elderly (of whom by statistics many of which are likely to be on at least some medication) using the Green Lane and not declaring medications.
I feel like if there's no human interaction there would be less 'sweaty palm' situations so people might be more willing to be opportunist.
Sep 21, 2018, 12:04 am
#26
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,650
Perhaps I misunderstood but this trial mean you go straight to the green exit lane where the sniffer dogs are operating? At the moment, the NZ/AU passport lane goes to a person who makes the decision to xray or send out via the green lane?
I feel like if there's no human interaction there would be less 'sweaty palm' situations so people might be more willing to be opportunist.
I feel like if there's no human interaction there would be less 'sweaty palm' situations so people might be more willing to be opportunist.
Sep 21, 2018, 5:54 pm
#27
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,498
Correct; the trial was to bypass risk assessment (the MPI officer who asks you about your declaration and stamps your arrival card). Under the trial you still had to walk through Green (Exit, not Queue) Lane with the sniffer dogs.
TBH I don’t really see any difference in allowing most frequent NZ/AU travellers to use some sort of e-mechanism to bypass risk assessment. If you forget you have an apple stashed in your bag then you are probably not going to twig to that at risk assessment either. A combination of beefed up detector dog screening along the Green Exit Lane or an e-gate which randomly diverts users to x-ray instead of Green Exit Lane (like what they do in Mexico for Customs inspection, for example) would I have thought capture most “forgotten item” cases, with perhaps the added disincentive of requiring anyone who is caught with any undeclared items to have to use manned risk assessment in future.
TBH I don’t really see any difference in allowing most frequent NZ/AU travellers to use some sort of e-mechanism to bypass risk assessment. If you forget you have an apple stashed in your bag then you are probably not going to twig to that at risk assessment either. A combination of beefed up detector dog screening along the Green Exit Lane or an e-gate which randomly diverts users to x-ray instead of Green Exit Lane (like what they do in Mexico for Customs inspection, for example) would I have thought capture most “forgotten item” cases, with perhaps the added disincentive of requiring anyone who is caught with any undeclared items to have to use manned risk assessment in future.