SQ to launch CBR-WLG
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Programs: NZ*G ELT, VA-G
Posts: 3,598
SQ to launch CBR-WLG
http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window...0160111-gm3dju
Looks like this is happening. SQ will launch SIN-CBR-WLG pending an announcement soon. This will be the first time a Star carrier flies across the Tasman since TG exited years ago. Hopefully there won't be any restriction with Airpoints earning like what they did to TG before (no accrual on discount economy). It will be interesting to see if NZ/VA will codeshare.
Looks like this is happening. SQ will launch SIN-CBR-WLG pending an announcement soon. This will be the first time a Star carrier flies across the Tasman since TG exited years ago. Hopefully there won't be any restriction with Airpoints earning like what they did to TG before (no accrual on discount economy). It will be interesting to see if NZ/VA will codeshare.
Last edited by Xiaotung; Jan 11, 2016 at 6:02 am
#2
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Auckland
Programs: NZ*E
Posts: 186
Here's an article that isn't behind a paywall:
AusBT Article
Great to see some potential new options out of Wellington, it could make it interesting as I'm currently based in Singapore - hopping via CBR could be an option rather than Auckland.
I'll be interested to see what the cost and connection times are like.
AusBT Article
Great to see some potential new options out of Wellington, it could make it interesting as I'm currently based in Singapore - hopping via CBR could be an option rather than Auckland.
I'll be interested to see what the cost and connection times are like.
#3
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
Here's an article that isn't behind a paywall:
AusBT Article
Great to see some potential new options out of Wellington, it could make it interesting as I'm currently based in Singapore - hopping via CBR could be an option rather than Auckland.
I'll be interested to see what the cost and connection times are like.
AusBT Article
Great to see some potential new options out of Wellington, it could make it interesting as I'm currently based in Singapore - hopping via CBR could be an option rather than Auckland.
I'll be interested to see what the cost and connection times are like.
I think I just want to be on the A330 as it rockets off the WLG runway now .
#4
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NZ
Programs: NZ Gold, BA Gold, QF Silver, IHG Platinum Elite Ambassador, Accor Diamond
Posts: 1,048
Positives:
- SQ A330 will be better trans-tasman than any NZ or QF aircraft in economy, and better than NZ 777 or 787 AKL-SIN.
- Good to have direct WLG-CBR service regardless.
- Good to get immigration control completed at the SIN (or beyond) and WLG ends, compared to having to go through AKL or CHC.
- CBR transit is certainly going to be shorter than at AKL or CHC.
Negatives:
- Transit/fuel stop at CBR is unlikely to be much fun. CBR unlikely to have airside post-immigration premium lounges or many facilities, so perhaps the transit will be a rather tedious hour +.
- WLG immigration will struggle to handle an inbound A330 quickly.
- SQ A330 Business Class hard product is the regional angled-lie flat seats, which are inferior to the 77E/77W/A380 products used to CHC/AKL and the NZ 777/787 product.
- AKL or CHC departures (both the international outbounds on NZ/SQ and the domestic back to WLG) offer decent lounge access. CBR doesn't and WLG international NZ lounge will struggle to cope with a decent A330 business class load and selection of NZ/SQ/VA Golds+.
Hopefully NZ might treat at least the Trans-Tasman sector with NZ codeshare as if it is a NZ flight for airpoints dollars and status credits earning purposes.
More curiously, if this works it could arguably put paid to the idea that WLG needs a runway extension for longer haul flights.
- SQ A330 will be better trans-tasman than any NZ or QF aircraft in economy, and better than NZ 777 or 787 AKL-SIN.
- Good to have direct WLG-CBR service regardless.
- Good to get immigration control completed at the SIN (or beyond) and WLG ends, compared to having to go through AKL or CHC.
- CBR transit is certainly going to be shorter than at AKL or CHC.
Negatives:
- Transit/fuel stop at CBR is unlikely to be much fun. CBR unlikely to have airside post-immigration premium lounges or many facilities, so perhaps the transit will be a rather tedious hour +.
- WLG immigration will struggle to handle an inbound A330 quickly.
- SQ A330 Business Class hard product is the regional angled-lie flat seats, which are inferior to the 77E/77W/A380 products used to CHC/AKL and the NZ 777/787 product.
- AKL or CHC departures (both the international outbounds on NZ/SQ and the domestic back to WLG) offer decent lounge access. CBR doesn't and WLG international NZ lounge will struggle to cope with a decent A330 business class load and selection of NZ/SQ/VA Golds+.
Hopefully NZ might treat at least the Trans-Tasman sector with NZ codeshare as if it is a NZ flight for airpoints dollars and status credits earning purposes.
More curiously, if this works it could arguably put paid to the idea that WLG needs a runway extension for longer haul flights.
#5
Join Date: Feb 2007
Programs: NZ Koru
Posts: 6,414
Ex CBR you'll be able to use the Virgin Australia lounge (most likely) if you starting your trip in CBR e.g CBR-WLG. When going OOL-AKL you can use the VA Lounge in Domestic, then go to customs right before boarding.
#7
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Christchurch, NZ
Programs: NZ*E, Accor Gold, PGR Black
Posts: 51
There is another limiting factor, as WLG airport is only 2,081m long. An A330-300 requires 1750m to land but is likely to be payload limited on departure as it usually requires between 2,200m & 2,500m for safe takeoff fully laden. All the same good news for our respective nations capitals.
#8
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
There is another limiting factor, as WLG airport is only 2,081m long. An A330-300 requires 1750m to land but is likely to be payload limited on departure as it usually requires between 2,200m & 2,500m for safe takeoff fully laden. All the same good news for our respective nations capitals.
#10
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: CBR
Programs: Motionsick Planespotters, Inc.
Posts: 21
Nitpicking aside, though, I am so stoked to hear SQ are coming to CBR. I will definitely choose a direct flight to SIN and/or WLG over a connection in SYD (3-4 hours away by bus or car).
I can only hope the service is sustainable long-term - I would absolutely hate for low loads to force its cancellation.
#11
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: WLG/BKK
Programs: TG*G, NZ*GE, QF G, Accor Gold
Posts: 10,201
#12
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NZ
Programs: NZ Gold, BA Gold, QF Silver, IHG Platinum Elite Ambassador, Accor Diamond
Posts: 1,048
Yes, this is true. Not available for SIN-WLG transit customers though.
#13
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Usually Auckland, NZ
Programs: NZ Elite (*G), QF S (OWR), UA 0.14MM
Posts: 690
SIN-CBR-WLG confirmed today
Pretty much it's confirmed today (article via AUSBT):
So it's going to be on a SG regionally configured 777-200 instead of an A330. Wonder how that's going to work at Wellington...
Timing isn't too bad in/outbound from WLG, domestic connections will work OK.
So there will be a codeshare, logical given then NZ-SQ alliance agreement already in place.
Not sure if that's in AU$ or NZ$, but seemed fair, although J between CBR-WLG seems a bit steep, then again, if you want to go direct there is no competition.
Singapore Airlines will begin direct flights between Canberra and Singapore from September 20, with an initial schedule of four flights per week on a Boeing 777.
The first leg of flight SQ292 will depart Wellington at 8.15pm on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, to arrive into Canberra at 10.05pm. After a brief refuelling stop, SQ292 will be wheels-up again at 11.30pm for a 5.50am arrival into Singapore the following day.
The SQ291 return journey will leave Singapore at 11pm on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday, to reach Canberra at 8.35am the next day, continuing to Wellington for a 3.05pm arrival.
The SQ291 return journey will leave Singapore at 11pm on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday, to reach Canberra at 8.35am the next day, continuing to Wellington for a 3.05pm arrival.
Singapore Airlines CEO Goh Choon Phong indicated that its Star Alliance partner Air New Zealand would add its own NZ codeshare onto the flights before their launch.
Tickets for the new Capital Express service will go on sale from January 25 with business class fares starting from $3,166 return for Canberra-Singapore and $1,450 return for the Canberra-Wellington leg, with economy pricing at $650 and $469 respectively.
#14
Join Date: Feb 2007
Programs: NZ Koru
Posts: 6,414
[QUOTE=Kamadan;26046228
So it's going to be on a SG regionally configured 777-200 instead of an A330. Wonder how that's going to work at Wellington...
[/QUOTE]
Surely its going to have an bit of an impact on the Jetstar gate allocations at WLG.
Would the 772 have to park across a couple of gates?
Wonder if NZ will peal the *G logo off the WLG lounge, no way it could handle an 772 worth of status passengers.
So it's going to be on a SG regionally configured 777-200 instead of an A330. Wonder how that's going to work at Wellington...
[/QUOTE]
Surely its going to have an bit of an impact on the Jetstar gate allocations at WLG.
Would the 772 have to park across a couple of gates?
Wonder if NZ will peal the *G logo off the WLG lounge, no way it could handle an 772 worth of status passengers.
#15
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,645
Times from https://www.wellingtonairport.co.nz/...press-service/
The afternoon rush at Wellington through Immigration, baggage claim and bio security is going to a real mess now that have a 772 arriving at the same time as the other flights pretty much.
The afternoon rush at Wellington through Immigration, baggage claim and bio security is going to a real mess now that have a 772 arriving at the same time as the other flights pretty much.