EU O fares with KL vs AF

Old Jan 17, 2024, 6:19 am
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EU O fares with KL vs AF

It seems that the situation has reversed w.r.t. what it was until around 1 year ago at least. Now in many places in Europe, AF publishes only 1 O fare which is way more expensive than KL fares. It's quite sad.

Example GVA-BER:

O0S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 526.00(USD) B
O1S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 564.00(USD) B
O2S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 606.00(USD) B
O3S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 653.00(USD) B
O4S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 702.00(USD) B
OYS02BNA AF O Round-Trip 709.00(USD) B

MIL-LON:
O0S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 489.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O1S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 526.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O0S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 527.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O2S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 566.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O1S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 567.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O2S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 611.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O3S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 611.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O3S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 659.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O4S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 659.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
OYS02BNA AF O Round-Trip 665.00(USD) B V / 12M
O4S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 713.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
Z0S32BNA KL Z Round-Trip 717.00(USD) B V / 12M 03
OYS02BNA AF O Round-Trip 758.00(USD) B V / 12M

MAD-ATH:
O0S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 505.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O1S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 541.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O2S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 579.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
O3S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 622.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
OYS02BNA AF O Round-Trip 655.00(USD) B V / 12M
O4S62BNA KL O Round-Trip 669.00(USD) B V / 12M 07
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 3:18 am
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Fares have been going up for a while. I feel like AF and KL are taking steps up in turn. The time of cheap C fares within Europe (I remember ~400 euro roundtrip tickets via CDG within europe) are long gone
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by Xandrios
Fares have been going up for a while. I feel like AF and KL are taking steps up in turn. The time of cheap C fares within Europe (I remember ~400 euro roundtrip tickets via CDG within europe) are long gone
The things that shock me is that the reasonable ones are still there, but with KL only. I hate that, since to me the idea of connecting to AMS and being subject to the cancellation russian roulette of KL feels like a nightmare.
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Old Jan 18, 2024, 3:30 am
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As Ben (Smith) highlighted in our Investor Day presentations, AF is trying to move away from connection traffic in order to take advantage of higher yielding local traffic. I don't have any specific insight into connecting EU O fares, but based on the O&Ds highlighted it would seem in line with this goal.
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Old Jan 20, 2024, 2:56 am
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Originally Posted by Ben Lipsey
As Ben (Smith) highlighted in our Investor Day presentations, AF is trying to move away from connection traffic in order to take advantage of higher yielding local traffic. I don't have any specific insight into connecting EU O fares, but based on the O&Ds highlighted it would seem in line with this goal.
Makes sense - and even Z fares had the same treatments.
For what I hear from Ben Smith it's not a complete move away from connection traffic but just a rebalance of further 2-3% points ( https://www.yuca.tv/en/air-france-klm/investor-day-2023 minute 18:51 ). This already changed from 2019-2023. I'm sure this will change again after the covid effects on travel are fully gone and we'll go back on even tougher competition.
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Old Jan 20, 2024, 3:09 am
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Originally Posted by Andy82
I'm sure this will change again after the covid effects on travel are fully gone
I am not sure what you mean by that. If you refer to the downsizing of business travel, I am not sure that we are ever going to go back towards pre-covid days, as long-term trends (outside covid proper) seem to be towards a (relative) decrease of business travel anyway.
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