Choosing KLM or AF in Biz Class?
Jul 27, 2017, 3:17 pm
#1
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Choosing KLM or AF in Biz Class?
Flying from JNB to LAX in 2018. I can choose KLM or AF. I plan to do a layover not to exceed 24 hours. Whether I stop over in Amsterdam or Paris makes no difference since I'll stay at a airport hotel and not go into the city. Either way, I plan to credit the miles to my Delta Skymiles account.
AF flights involve A380-800 and KLM involve 777 and 747(as far as I know). The $ fare is similar.
Are the seats and IFE better in one aircraft over another ?
Thank you.
AF flights involve A380-800 and KLM involve 777 and 747(as far as I know). The $ fare is similar.
Are the seats and IFE better in one aircraft over another ?
Thank you.
Jul 28, 2017, 12:10 am
#4
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Avoid A380 biz with AF - angle lie and not flat bed seat, in 2-2-2 configuration.
777 w/KLM has 2-2-2 configuration as well, but it's flat bed.
747 has a similar hard product (flat bed). Biz is both on nose and upper floor; For nose, I definitely suggest seat 1A which has aisle access. Upper floor is pretty cool, configuration is 2-2.
Jul 28, 2017, 8:46 am
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Thank you. I'm leaning toward KLM with an overnight in AMS. I really want lie flat seats. As for flying in on one and out on another, this would require a change of airport and I'm not interested in that.
I know there's hotels close to AMS airport offering a free shuttle bus. I'm not sure if there is as well in Paris CDG ?
I know there's hotels close to AMS airport offering a free shuttle bus. I'm not sure if there is as well in Paris CDG ?
Jul 28, 2017, 8:58 am
#7
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BTW, I will take AF NEV4/NEV3 everyday instead of most KL seats with the small leg rest for a night flight.
Jul 30, 2017, 5:33 pm
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My Previous business class flight on KLM had a 180 lay flat seat so not sure what you mean? I haven't booked any return flight yet.
Jul 31, 2017, 12:20 am
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Jul 31, 2017, 7:30 am
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Do an upper deck 747 on KLM, private cabin with it's full own kitchen/service. (downstairs is shared with economy)
They're going to be gone in 1-2 years with 777 and 787's replacing those huge planes, worth it if you've never flown that.
They're going to be gone in 1-2 years with 777 and 787's replacing those huge planes, worth it if you've never flown that.
Jul 31, 2017, 12:19 pm
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I would never recommend AF's old angle-flat seats over KL's current lie-flat, whether or not you find the footwell small or not. The seats are a massive improvement in comfort. I'm a big guy (nearly 6' 3") and I am fine in the KL seats. AF380s? Forget about it.
Jul 31, 2017, 3:07 pm
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