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FLYING BLUE ULTIMATE

Main facts
Ultimate is the top status in FB. It may be added to Club 2000 – Skipper status.
While other FB status (Silver/Gold/Platinum) are based on experience points earning (XP), Ultimate status is obtained by Ultimate XP (UXP) earning. UXPs are earned exclusively on AF- and KL-coded (= marketed) flights, whatever the operating airline.
Some examples :
- CDG-JFK AF-marketing, AF-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- CDG-JFK DL-marketing, AF-operating : NON-eligible to UXP earning
- AMS-BOS KL-marketing, DL-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- BOS-IND KL-marketing, DL-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- SIN-SYD AF-marketing, QF-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- CDG-FCO AZ-marketing, AZ-operating : NON-eligible to UXP earning

XP earned via AFKL Amex cards are not eligible (those are XP and not UXP).

To qualify for Ultimate, it is needed to have 900 UXP over a year. It is similar to the normal XP counter, resetting as soon as the tier is reached. Ultimate is valid for 1 year once granted. Note 03/2023 : the qualification system just changed from 1800 UXP over 2 years to 900 UXP/1 year. Some transitional measures are in place for the current Ultimate members. See here for details about handling of transition period :
https://www.flyingblue.com/fr/landin...m_content=main

Since 03/2023, a rollover of surplus UXP (over 900) is now possible to the next year and only to the next year (example : year 1, the member earns 2000UXP. At the end of year 1, only 900 UXP will be rolled-over to year 2 and the remaining 1100 UXP earned in Y1 will be lost and not be transferred to year 3. If during year 2, the member earned 1000 new (fresh) UXP, 100 will be rolled-over to year 3.

Hard benefits
- All FB Platinum/Club 2000-Skipper benefits
- Access to a Travel Assistant service 24/7. They are reachable by phone or by email. In practice, from 8 pm to 8 am CET, calls are taken by the Platinum line.
- highest priority on waiting list and in case of irrops
- Possibility to register up to 8 persons who can benefit from Sky Priority services and lounge access when traveling with the Ultimate member and on same PNR (lounge access is only in AFKL lounges here).
- one companion Platinum card
- when the Ultimate member is flying P, 2 guests are allowed in CDG P lounge.
- Zone 1 boarding, irrespective of travel class.
- Access to Hertz Platinum status
- four one-class upgrade certificates per membership year, requiring 1 from W to J, or 2 from Y to J. Upgrades are confirmed instantly at the time of booking (via the Travel Assistant). One voucher = one way. Vouchers can also be used by one of the 8 registered friend/family members travelling by themselves. In case of a long-haul flight with a medium-haul connection/feeder (e.g. CDG-AMS-JFK), the medium-haul segment will be upgraded also with still only one voucher used. In case of 2 long-haul flights in connection (e,g. DXB-CDG-JFK), the use of 2 vouchers is required to upgrade the 2 segments. Upgrade vouchers are usable only on AF- or KL-marketing and operating flights and the PNR must contains only the AFKL flights to be upgraded (if the PNR contains other non-AFKL flights, you cannot upgrade even just the AFKL flights).
The upgrade coupons are valid as soon as you reach Ultimate and is valid for 12 months. The vouchers need to be used within the membership year, but can be applied for travel post expiry date.

Rules for eligible booking classes for the upgrade vouchers are described below :

AF flights, long-haul
Premium Eco to Business
Original booking class : A, S, W
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C (it means that if the flight has only J fare available, one cannot upgrade)

Eco to Business (all flights, except to/from USA, Canada, Mexico)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C (it means that if the flight has only J fare available, one cannot upgrade)

Eco to Business (flights to/from USA, Canada, Mexico, including LAX-PPT)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N
Upgraded booking class : Z, C

KL flights, long-haul
Eco to Business (all flights, except to/from USA, Canada, Mexico and DEL)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C

Eco to Business (flights to/from USA, Canada, Mexico and DEL)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N
Upgraded booking class : Z, I.

Airline-specific soft (unpublished) benefits
- AF, KL and contract staff at airports have a popup message on their computer screen when checking-in an Ultimate pax or when scanning a BP at the lounge (AFKL lounges only) asking them to be attentive at any special request of the Ultimate pax. See also below for airport-specific soft benefits. There is no known official policy for operational upgrades of Ultimates, but Ultimate members have all reported on FT a higher rate of op-up (but those remain rare !).
- AF and KL cabin crews are instructed to provide extra care and attentions on-board. It can take different forms : special greetings, extra amenities (pillow, oshibori, etc), F&B from the upper class, upgrades on board (Y to J medium haul, W to J or Y to W long haul), earlier and quicker meal service. This is not systematic and is up to the appreciation of the crew. Based on the reports of Ultimate members of this forum, AF crews seems to be more compliant than KL crews with those directives, although there has been several reports in this thread of nice attentions provided by KL crews.- Unlimited downloads (any day) in AF PLAY app.

Other Skyteam airlines do not provide any extra service or attentions to FB Ultimate passengers.

Airport-specific soft (unpublished) benefits
All benefits below should be understood for departure, unless otherwise noted. In addition to what is mentioned below, it has been reported several cases of expedited transfers organised by AFKL staff in case of short/endangered connection at various airports.

Please complete/edit this list as needed.

AFKL HUBS
Amsterdam
- AMS : some reserved tables in the Non-Schengen lounges. Reserved area in the Schengen lounge (need to ask staff at long entrance). Pre-boarding sometimes granted at the gate.

Paris CDG
- CDG 2E:
  • Departure : Escort from check-in to immigration in the morning (super fast track). Reserved space at K/L/M lounges. Pre-boarding upon request at the gate before beginning of general boarding
  • Arrival : access to dedicated lane at passport control, all the way to the left, follow the "ULTIMATE" sign.
- CDG 2F :
  • Departure : There is a special Ultimate check-in counter in the SkyP zone (on the left of terminal). Reserved room in the lounge. Pre-boarding upon request at the gate before beginning of general boarding. Escort is provided from the counter to security (skipping the line).
  • Arrival : no special treatment to report
- CDG 2G :
  • Departure : Reserved space in the lounge
  • Arrival : no special treatment to report
- CDG in connection : expedited transfer, possibly involving limo transfer, can be arranged upon request in case of short or endangered connection. Rarely provided spontaneously (need to call the TA, but acceptance is never guaranteed).

Paris ORY
  • Departure : Reserved space at Schengen and non-Schengen lounges. Pre-boarding upon request at the lounge.
  • Arrival : no special treatment to report

EUROPE
Austria
- VIE: no special treatment to report

Croatia
- DBV: no special treatment to report
- SPU: no special treatment to report (not even lounge access)

Czech Republic
- PRG: no special treatment to report. Pre-boarding refused.

Denmark
- CPH: no special treatment to report

France (non-hubs)
- AJA: no special treatment to report
- BES: no special treatment to report
- BIQ: no special treatment to report
- BOD: pre-boarding from lounge to plane inconsistently proposed
- CDG: see top of the list in "AFKL hubs".
- LYS: Escort from lounge to plane when flying from B gates provided upon request . Preboarding with escort to the plane consistently provided.
- MPL: pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane, sometimes proposed (AF agent comes to the contract lounge to meet the Ultimate guest)
- MRS: no special treatment to report
- NCE: Reserved area in Infinity lounge (inconsistently provided : seems to be provided only when lounge crowded). Pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane, sometimes proposed.
- NTE: no special treatment to report
- ORY: see top of the list in "AFKL hubs".
- PUF: bypass queue at security and pre-boarding provided upon request
- RNS: bypass queue at security and pre-boarding provided upon request
- TLS: Escort from check in to lounge inconsistently provided. Pre-boarding consistently provided

Germany
- BER: no special treatment to report
- DUS: no special treatment to report
- FRA: no special treatment to report
- HAM: no special treatment to report
- HAJ: No special treatment to report.
- MUC: Reserved area in the lounge, escort from lounge to plane with pre-boarding proposed.
- STR: reserved area in the lounge, pre-boarding

Greece
- ATH: no special treatment to report
- HER: no special treatment to report
- JTR: no special treatment to report

Hungary
- BUD: escort through security from check-in to lounge proposed

Ireland
- DUB: no special treatment to report

Italy
- BLQ: escort from check-in to lounge, and through security to plane.
- BRI: no special treatment to report
- CTA: no special treatment to report
- FCO: no special treatment to report
- FLR: no special treatment to report
- LIN: no special treatment to report
- MXP: pre-boarding granted by request
- VCE: escort through security from check-in to lounge, pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane (not always consistently proposed)
- NAP: no special treatment to report

Netherlands
- AMS: see top of the list in "AFKL hubs".

Norway
- OSL: no special treatment to report
- TRF: no special treatment to report
- KRS: no special treatment to report
- SVG: no special treatment to report

Poland
- WAW: no special treatment to report
- KRK: no special treatment to report
- GDN: no special treatment to report

Portugal
- LIS: pre-boarding proposed upon request

Russia
- SVO: no special treatment to report
- LED: no special treatment to report

Spain
- AGP: no special treatment to report
- BCN: no special treatment to report
- MAD: no special treatment to report
- PMI: no special treatment to report
- SVQ: no special treatment to report
- TFS: no special treatment to report
- VLC: no special treatment to report

Sweden
- ARN: no special treatment to report
- GOT: no special treatment to report

Switzerland
- GVA: pre-boarding upon request. Reserved area in the lounge
- ZRH: no special treatment

United Kingdom
- ABZ: no special treatment to report
- EDI: no special treatment to report
- LHR: no special treatment to report

NORTH AMERICA
Canada
- YUL: Escort from check-in to lounge upon request. Reserved area in lounge, pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane
- YYZ: escort on arrival through immigration, consistently offered. / Escort from check-in to lounge and from lounge to airplane
- YQB: escort from check-in to lounge proposed
- YVR: no special treatment to report

USA
- ATL: no special treatment to report (in connection)
- BOS: escort through security from check-in to lounge, pre-boarding, all consistently provided mostly spontaneously, sometimes upon request. A separate room in the AF lounge is also proposed.
- DTW: no special treatment to report (starting from DTW or in connection)
- IAD: escort through security from check-in to lounge upon request, but inconsistently provided. Reserved area at the lounge.
- IAH: no special treatment to report
- JFK (AF only / terminal 1) : reserved table in the dining area of the lounge (upstairs), possible to benefit from the "night service" on all flights and not only the 2 last ones ex-JFK (update 09/2023 : no more night service in JFK lounge). Some kind of priority at the La Prairie spa (after P pax).
- JFK (KL only / terminal 4) : no special treatments to report.
- LAX: no special treatment to report
- ORD: On arrival, escort through immigration (not consistently provided). On departure, escort through security to lounge and from lounge to plane (pre-boarding)
- MSP: no special treatment to report, except one case of special DL Elite VIP treatment with expedited immigration and Porsche transfer to/from lounge (not a regular benefit to expect)
- SEA: pre-boarding with escort to plane
- SFO: reserved area in lounge

Mexico
- MEX (Terminal 1): escort through security to lounge with access to dedicated space. Ride from lounge to gate. Sometimes escort on arrival

CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
- BOG: no special treatment to report
- LIM: escort to lounge, provided spontaneously
- GIG: Pre-boarding upon request.
- GRU: escort in case of short connection upon request, inconsistently provided; as of 02/2024 pre-boarding offered at check-in and provided by gate-staff (inconsistently provided).
- SCL: as of 03/2024 escort to lounge offered at departure check-in, pick-up from lounge and pre-boarding done
- EZE: escort to lounge with special crew lane for immigration provided spontaneously

ASIA / PACIFIC
- BKK: escort through security from check-in to lounge, upon request but inconsistently proposed. In connection : escort in case of short connection (better to request it before departure).
- BLR: escort from lounge to gate, pre-boarding provided
- BOM : escort from plane to immigration, and from checkin to the lounge
- DEL: as of 01/2024 escort upon arrival; proactive pre-departure call to arrange terminal entry via VIP entrance and escort to gate for pre-boarding (if lounge used, offered to pick up for pre-boarding)
- HKG: no special treatment to report.
- HND: Arrival : new 09/2023 = escort through immigration. Departure : escort from check-in desk to private (crew) security, proposed spontaneously
- KIX: Arrival : escort through immigration, wait at baggage claim. Departure : escort from check-in desk to lounge All proposed spontaneously
- SIN: no special treatment to report

CARIBBEAN & INDIAN OCEAN
- CUR: no special treatment to report, there is no (sky)priority lane for security or immigration, but escort/short track is available for 100 $.
- HAV: at departure, escort from check in counters until security checks. Pre-boarding offered. No escort at arrival. No reserved space in Lounge.
- FDF: No reserved space in Lounge. Pre-boarding upon request at the gate.
- MRU: escort on arrival through immigration. Unknown for departures (no data point)
- PTP: Reserved table in lounge. Pre-boarding upon request at the lounge with escort from lounge to plane.
- RUN: Pre-boarding proposed at check-in and in the lounge, with escort from lounge to plane. Reserved seats in lounge
- SXM: Escort for incoming transit pax (from/to AF flight) through passport controls and security, pre-boarding pro-actively offered for AF departure

MIDDLE EAST
- AUH : no special treatment to report
- BEY: no special treatment to report
- DXB: escort from check-in to lounge and from lounge to plane, all upon request, consistently provided. Access to the Ahlan lounge (normally reserved for P pax) instead of Skyteam lounge.
- JED: no special treatment to report
- RUH: no special treatment to report
- IST: no special treatment to report

AFRICA
- AGA: escort from check in to lounge and from lounge to aircraft, provided spontaneously
- CAI: no special treatment to report
- CMN: escort on arrival through immigration (not always consistently provided)
- CPT: escort from counter to lounge, provided spontaneously
- JNB: escort from counter to lounge (no fast track at immigration), provided spontaneously
- LOS: no special treatment to report
- RAK: escort on arrival, upon request (not provided on departure)
- RBA: on departure : escort to lounge and to plane, provided spontaneously.
- TUN: escort on arrival through immigration provided. Escort from check-in to lounge provided
- ZNZ: no special treatment to report (not even lounge access)
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Old Feb 15, 2022, 12:51 pm
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This is wonderful. The reports of San Gottardo and matmatlr are an amazing publicité/Werbung to NOT consider even thinking about pushing for ULTI because it is a waste of time and, especially, energy in addition to being apparently largely useless. It's great when these things are this clear and there's no doubt.
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Old Feb 15, 2022, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Concerto
This is wonderful. The reports of San Gottardo and matmatlr are an amazing publicité/Werbung to NOT consider even thinking about pushing for ULTI because it is a waste of time and, especially, energy in addition to being apparently largely useless. It's great when these things are this clear and there's no doubt.

Quite.
I'd very much like to try being a HON, even if just for a month or two.

Ultimate? I barely see a reason why I would want to be a Plat instead of Gold.
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Old Feb 15, 2022, 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
Quite.
I'd very much like to try being a HON, even if just for a month or two.

Ultimate? I barely see a reason why I would want to be a Plat instead of Gold.
Well, even we read not very good stories here, all I can say I couldn't be happier as Plat in C19 era. At least I see a difference.
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Old Feb 16, 2022, 4:31 am
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Originally Posted by 747jetter
Well, even we read not very good stories here, all I can say I couldn't be happier as Plat in C19 era. At least I see a difference.
I kept traveling a lot in 2020 during Covid and I was really disappointed by AF ground experience especially in 2E / 2F where there was no SP lanes any longer.
I was in CDG at least twice per week and I lost a lot of time and AF did not care at all.
Covid was a good excuse for everything !

Then, if we put everything in perspective, my feeling is that AF is still trying to make our life easier and the in-flight service is slightly improving. Unfortunately, this is mainly linked to chief purser good (or bad) will so it can go from very good to very bad.
I had some very nice experiences recently so can't complain that much.

This is a different story when you have to deal with "office staff" that are completely disconnected from ground reality and departments that do not communicate between each other
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Old Feb 16, 2022, 2:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
Quite.
I'd very much like to try being a HON, even if just for a month or two.

Ultimate? I barely see a reason why I would want to be a Plat instead of Gold.
Well, for me the main thing about Plat is that you can get Platinum for Life if you stick with it for 10 years equivalent of XPs. That could be potentially useful in the future. I don't think that there is a Gold for Life option.
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Old Feb 16, 2022, 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Concerto
Well, for me the main thing about Plat is that you can get Platinum for Life if you stick with it for 10 years equivalent of XPs. That could be potentially useful in the future. I don't think that there is a Gold for Life option.
indeed there is no gold 4 life ;-)
However, there is ivory for life…..

Now in BOS on a Delta (one) flight back home… both legs the best thing is you know there is no perks to be expected. 100% on target! So peaceful.
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Old Feb 16, 2022, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Concerto
Well, for me the main thing about Plat is that you can get Platinum for Life if you stick with it for 10 years equivalent of XPs. That could be potentially useful in the future. I don't think that there is a Gold for Life option.
If.

But it is one of the reasons.
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Old Feb 20, 2022, 2:30 am
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CDG 2E/F dedicated ULTI counter

Originally Posted by chris635
Please find below my findings this am at 2F Ultimate counter (used to check even if I have my ready2fly BP ):
- Empty counter when i arrived
- One moment somebody will come
- One moment i need to start the computer
- When I asked the benefit linked with this counter the answer was "first time I seat here i don't know"
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I'm coming back on dedicated ULTI counter @ CDG.
This week I flew my familly for holidays and due to queue at 2E business checkin (very few ready2fly.... ) and I asked why dedicated counter was empty. I have been told no UTLI flying tonight @ 2E so counter closed !

I propose so to use this counter to voice our requests/push for more service

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Old Feb 20, 2022, 3:37 am
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UXP rollover & ULTI for life

Originally Posted by MarcElMile
Hearing rumours from different channels that UXP will rollover soon. Anyone got some hard information on this?
MarcElMile, I'm coming back on your last month question. No information so far. Last answers from TA/FB teams were :

- 2019 = We are studying to provide perks/bonus for the UXP over 1800
- 2022 = No rollover confirmed by TA (FB declared first yes but after asked me to go TA)

Any updates from the community on these topics ?
Somebody aware of ULTI for life project (I'm already planned for 8y 2017-25) ?
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Old Feb 20, 2022, 5:10 am
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Originally Posted by chris635
MarcElMile, I'm coming back on your last month question. No information so far. Last answers from TA/FB teams were :

- 2019 = We are studying to provide perks/bonus for the UXP over 1800
- 2022 = No rollover confirmed by TA (FB declared first yes but after asked me to go TA)

Any updates from the community on these topics ?
Somebody aware of ULTI for life project (I'm already planned for 8y 2017-25) ?
No specific info, but I don't believe a second in Ulti for life. I am not confident also on UXP rollover,
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Old Feb 20, 2022, 4:01 pm
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Hey guys, Can anyone here dm me the email to contact the TA ?

Thanks by advance

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Old Feb 20, 2022, 11:34 pm
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Originally Posted by frankontheglobe
Hey guys, Can anyone here dm me the email to contact the TA ?

Thanks by advance
MP Sent
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Old Feb 21, 2022, 3:43 am
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Originally Posted by maalloc
Originally Posted by frankontheglobe
Hey guys, Can anyone here dm me the email to contact the TA ?
Thanks by advance
MP Sent
I would be interested as well because when I first called the TA, the agent told me there was no email to contact them, only by phone...
Then I didn't ask again .
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Originally Posted by SteveCanary
I would be interested as well because when I first called the TA, the agent told me there was no email to contact them, only by phone...
Then I didn't ask again .
Here you go, check your MPs,

That said, so far I've been less than impressed with the email TA. They seem to quickly drop the ball without trying to understand questions, go the extra mile or even "get back to you" as promised. I only used them when I thought an email would be more convenient, with 0% success rate so far. YMMV!
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Old Feb 21, 2022, 4:51 am
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Originally Posted by maalloc
Here you go, check your MPs,

That said, so far I've been less than impressed with the email TA. They seem to quickly drop the ball without trying to understand questions, go the extra mail or even "get back to you" as promised. I only used them when I thought an email would be more convenient, with 0% success rate so far. YMMV!
I always received quick responses to questions sent by email. But I sent a complaint more than a week ago, and heard nothing back. Not even an acknowledgement of receipt or whatsoever . Did they spam all our email addresses ?
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