Never any O availability CDG/AMS-MEX
Feb 22, 2013, 2:21 am
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Never any O availability CDG/AMS-MEX
Has anyone ever found an open seat in O?? I have looked for months and absolutely NOTHING is available. GRRRR
Feb 22, 2013, 4:25 am
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I think OP might be wanting to use Delta miles?
If you are a FB member there is normally more availability for Elite members then for Ivory.
If you are a FB member there is normally more availability for Elite members then for Ivory.
Feb 23, 2013, 11:14 am
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@Irishguy:
1) you have elite status with FB so awards don't get pulled out of O class- you have expanded availability that comes from a different bucket.
2) No. I am looking for FB award availability. I know where to post what.
Just because I have Delta status doesn't mean I don't have FB miles.
I wish people would actually read the actual post and not their interpretation of them!!!!
1) you have elite status with FB so awards don't get pulled out of O class- you have expanded availability that comes from a different bucket.
2) No. I am looking for FB award availability. I know where to post what.
Just because I have Delta status doesn't mean I don't have FB miles.
I wish people would actually read the actual post and not their interpretation of them!!!!
Feb 23, 2013, 12:15 pm
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), seeing that your profile states that you have Delta elite status I thought it was a fairly logical assumption. On KL flights elite members have extra availability @ normal rates; on AF extra availability costs more miles (correct?). Based on the screenshots provided I would say that it appears that there is O availability.
Feb 23, 2013, 3:20 pm
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In my defense (), seeing that your profile states that you have Delta elite status I thought it was a fairly logical assumption.
If I am correct, the other booking classes are only shown when there is no availability in O.
On KL flights elite members have extra availability @ normal rates; on AF extra availability costs more miles (correct?). Based on the screenshots provided I would say that it appears that there is O availability.
), seeing that your profile states that you have Delta elite status I thought it was a fairly logical assumption. If I am correct, the other booking classes are only shown when there is no availability in O.
On KL flights elite members have extra availability @ normal rates; on AF extra availability costs more miles (correct?). Based on the screenshots provided I would say that it appears that there is O availability.
No, not necessarily a "logical" assumption. Ask before assuming.
If it were related to Delta redemption I would have posted the question in the DL forum.
His screenshots don't tell anything new because he is logged in as an elite member. The AF system will in his case reveal seats in C, not O.
My question/positing is about AF/KL seats on this route in O.
Do you have any insight into in my original question?
Last edited by bostontraveler; Feb 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Feb 23, 2013, 6:14 pm
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This is not correct. C is used for flex awards, not for "elite awards". Flex awards are twice the miles of O awards. Hence the screenshots do not show avaiability in C.
Feb 23, 2013, 6:27 pm
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Actually my response wasn't to you but to irishman...
No, not necessarily a "logical" assumption. Ask before assuming.
If it were related to Delta redemption I would have posted the question in the DL forum.
His screenshots don't tell anything new because he is logged in as an elite member. The AF system will in his case reveal seats in C, not O.
My question/positing is about AF/KL seats on this route in O.
Do you have any insight into in my original question?
No, not necessarily a "logical" assumption. Ask before assuming.
If it were related to Delta redemption I would have posted the question in the DL forum.
His screenshots don't tell anything new because he is logged in as an elite member. The AF system will in his case reveal seats in C, not O.
My question/positing is about AF/KL seats on this route in O.
Do you have any insight into in my original question?
It also appears that FB is changing something starting with the summer. Other posters have noticed that classic awards were hard to get and that one had to pay 115% or 125%. it could be that FB is late in loading availability or hat they are implementing a subtle change in policy.
Feb 24, 2013, 7:21 am
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it would be interesting to see what happens if you check as nonelite member and try the dates that irishguy28 used.
It also appears that FB is changing something starting with the summer. Other posters have noticed that classic awards were hard to get and that one had to pay 115% or 125%. it could be that FB is late in loading availability or hat they are implementing a subtle change in policy.
It also appears that FB is changing something starting with the summer. Other posters have noticed that classic awards were hard to get and that one had to pay 115% or 125%. it could be that FB is late in loading availability or hat they are implementing a subtle change in policy.
Feb 27, 2013, 10:44 am
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Feb 27, 2013, 8:27 pm
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Despite the OP's later assumptions, what I posted was normal "O" class availability for a Dutch/European-registered Flying Blue account. It has nothing to do with elite status, as you can clearly see that the regular classic rate is widely available. If the OP is seeing different availability, I suspect it has more to do with different availability being advised to North American members.
I made no assumptions above, and merely answered the question you posed. My second post was a general statement of my own opinion on a matter that generally affects the entire FB forum, and should therefore not have been interpreted as applying only, or even, to this particular thread.
I made no assumptions above, and merely answered the question you posed. My second post was a general statement of my own opinion on a matter that generally affects the entire FB forum, and should therefore not have been interpreted as applying only, or even, to this particular thread.
Feb 28, 2013, 6:57 am
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My study is not scientific, but having looked at ways to use my remaining miles (and those of my family) in the past year, my impression is that it is now more difficult to find classic awards without paying extra. For example, O availability on HKG-CDG was widely available on almost all flights (with many seats in each, sometimes O8) in the past couple of years, but much less available since a few months. I know that one can post a selected screen shot of a specific periods where there is daily availability for a few seats, but that does not disprove the point that O awards without extra miles are much less available now. And the explanation cannot be that AF is having higher loads in J.
Again just a personal impression based on extensive search, in no way an irrefutable scientific study.
Last edited by brunos; Feb 28, 2013 at 7:03 am
Mar 2, 2013, 5:42 am
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Mar 3, 2013, 12:11 pm
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Despite the OP's later assumptions, what I posted was normal "O" class availability for a Dutch/European-registered Flying Blue account. It has nothing to do with elite status, as you can clearly see that the regular classic rate is widely available. If the OP is seeing different availability, I suspect it has more to do with different availability being advised to North American members.
This close-in test certainly doesn't confirm the 'never' contention, either.