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JOUY31 Oct 24, 2011 8:01 am
Originally Posted by chrissxb (Post 17326186)
AF told me that we now have more than twice the number of award seats available.
in T-class, compared with X-class, 30 days before the flight date; so availability for AF/KL members should be over 3 times the availability for members from other SkyTeam FFPs, for a small surcharge.

I see this as a huge advantage and real improvement compared to the situation we had before.
I fully agree ^, but would love to see it extended (in a more moderate fashion) to long-haul flights.

Gajan Nov 22, 2011 2:30 pm
I am a bit confused as I received the following e-mail today:

Geniet van verbeterde beschikbaarheid met de nieuwe Europe Classic Awards
Om het reserveren van een award-zitplaats in Economy Class op vluchten van KLM en Air France binnen Europa voor u te vergemakkelijken, introduceren we de Europe Classic Awards. Deze nieuwe awards zijn handig wanneer een regulier award ticket voor een specifieke vlucht niet beschikbaar is omdat u op het laatste moment boekt of in het hoogseizoen wilt reizen.
Voor meer informatie over het complete aanbod van award tickets voor Flying Blue-deelnemers, klik hier.
Short translation:

Europe Classic awards are available on AF and KLM according to this message. The website states that Europe Classic awards are only available on AF.

Have I missed something?

Goldorak Nov 22, 2011 11:52 pm
Originally Posted by Gajan (Post 17499622)
I am a bit confused as I received the following e-mail today:



Short translation:

Europe Classic awards are available on AF and KLM according to this message. The website states that Europe Classic awards are only available on AF.

Have I missed something?
Very strange indeed. The FB communication received and quoted in my initial post was saying "A ce jour, KLM et les autres partenaires aériens ne proposent pas de Prime Europe Classic.". Translation : as of today, KLM and other airline partners do not propose Europe classic awards. May be they changed their mind and implemented it for KLM also, which would be nice ?
FB web site still mentions AF only.

Gajan Nov 23, 2011 4:50 am
Update from Flying Blue: KLM has also implemented Europe Classic Awards
 
I have received a reply from Flying Blue that KLM have also implemented Europe Classic Awards. They will change the website a.s.a.p.

Gajan

florin Nov 23, 2011 9:23 am
warning from a SM member
 
Wow... this reeks of DL. That is the same way DL presented its case when they introduced the 3 tier award scheme. This has the potential to be quite an "enhancement".

Some points:
  • SM had 2 tiers, just like FB. At one point instead of Low/High awards they introduced :-:Medium:-:.
  • The introduction of a 3rd tier of awards sounded promising. They said that it would enhance availability. It hasn't. They said that only high-demand flights would have Med availability when Low won't be available, and only very few (around Xmas or during the Cannes festival, etc.) would be priced at High. This tuned out to be a lie.
  • Only low DL awards are available to partner programs (sound familiar?), and only low partner awards are available to DL. Med and High awards can only be booked by SM members.
  • Mileage requirements were subsequently increased for High awards.
  • The end result: MAJOR devaluation of miles. Low awards are hard to come by; most awards are Med/High. Combining award levels (one segment Low + one segment Med) is a pain - the system ends up adding the segments instead of pricing O/D.

This was a major blow to SM members and this FB "enhancement" has the potential to screw things up big time. First just AF. Now KL too. Soon, the other FB airlines (KQ, RO). First just intra-EU flights. At some point this will be rolled out to all flights and you end up with a 3 tier model like DL. If I were a FB member I would be worried...

bodory Nov 23, 2011 9:37 am
Thanks florin for posting this.

Since the beggining of that new enhancement, I am worried.

Gajan Nov 23, 2011 10:04 am
Unless I am mistaken there is no European programme that has that the number of miles needed for an award are divided into various zones unlike US programmes where it is more common.

I doubt they can make a significant change like that unless more competitors follow.

florin Nov 24, 2011 8:54 am
Originally Posted by Gajan (Post 17504084)
Unless I am mistaken there is no European programme that has that the number of miles needed for an award are divided into various zones unlike US programmes where it is more common.

I doubt they can make a significant change like that unless more competitors follow.
As far as I know, M&M doesn't have the double-priced FLEX awards either, and FB has had that for a while. So this hasn't stopped them before...


ETA: When DL introduced the 3-tier scheme, nobody had that in the US either (...and still, nobody else has it.)

KVS Mar 26, 2012 1:41 pm
Originally Posted by delanotre (Post 17266657)
Booking class: T
Name: Classic Europe Award
Does anyone know the remaining Europe Classic Award Booking Classes (i.e. AF C, KL Y & KL C)?

ranskis Mar 26, 2012 9:02 pm
Originally Posted by KVS (Post 18277189)
Does anyone know the remaining Europe Classic Award Booking Classes (i.e. AF C, KL Y & KL C)?
I think it only applies to AF Y, not to business, not to KL.

delanotre Mar 26, 2012 11:11 pm
Originally Posted by KVS (Post 18277189)
Does anyone know the remaining Europe Classic Award Booking Classes (i.e. AF C, KL Y & KL C)?
I think this link is always right (with class T added)

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/flyin...-upgrades.html

KVS Mar 27, 2012 12:06 am
Originally Posted by ranskis (Post 18279684)
I think it only applies to AF Y, not to business, not to KL.
Well, it definitely also applies to KL Y:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.8/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
PAR  Paris Metro FR = CDG ORY BVA XPG XJY
AMS  Amsterdam Schiphol NL [EHAM]
WED  15 Aug 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AF        1240    CDG  07:25    AMS  08:40              CX0  YA9
AF        1340    CDG  07:55    AMS  09:10              CX0  YA9
KL        1224    CDG  09:00    AMS  10:15              CS9  YS9
KL        1228    CDG  09:35    AMS  11:00              CS9  YS9
KL        1230    CDG  10:20    AMS  11:40              CX0  YM9
AF        1640    CDG  11:40    AMS  12:55              CX0  YM9
AF        1740    CDG  12:50    AMS  14:05              CX0  YM9
KL        1234    CDG  14:40    AMS  15:55              CS1  YS9
AF        2040    CDG  16:20    AMS  17:35              CS1  YM9
AF        2240    CDG  17:45    AMS  19:00              CX0  YA9
KL        1244    CDG  18:40    AMS  19:50              CS9  YS9
KL        1246    CDG  20:15    AMS  21:25              CS9  YS9
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.8/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
AMS  Amsterdam Schiphol NL [EHAM]
WED  15 Aug 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Information
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------------------------
AF        1240    CDG  07:25    AMS  08:40              Dur: 01:15 | FB: NA/20K+71 EUR
AF        1340    CDG  07:55    AMS  09:10              Dur: 01:15 | FB: NA/20K+71 EUR
KL        1224    CDG  09:00    AMS  10:15              Dur: 01:15 | FB: 20K+71/10K+71 EUR
KL        1228    CDG  09:35    AMS  11:00              Dur: 01:25 | FB: 20K+71/10K+71 EUR
KL        1230    CDG  10:20    AMS  11:40              Dur: 01:20 | FB: NA/12.5K+71 EUR
AF        1640    CDG  11:40    AMS  12:55              Dur: 01:15 | FB: NA/12.5K+71 EUR
AF        1740    CDG  12:50    AMS  14:05              Dur: 01:15 | FB: NA/12.5K+71 EUR
KL        1234    CDG  14:40    AMS  15:55              Dur: 01:15 | FB: 20K+71/10K+71 EUR
AF        2040    CDG  16:20    AMS  17:35              Dur: 01:15 | FB: 20K+80/12.5K+71 EUR
AF        2240    CDG  17:45    AMS  19:00              Dur: 01:15 | FB: NA/20K+71 EUR
KL        1244    CDG  18:40    AMS  19:50              Dur: 01:10 | FB: 20K+71/10K+71 EUR
KL        1246    CDG  20:15    AMS  21:25              Dur: 01:10 | FB: 20K+71/10K+71 EUR


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