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Old Aug 11, 2023, 12:58 pm
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Curtain between business and economy gone in Air France?

Om my last two Air France flights within Europe there was no curtain separating business class and economy. People from economy were also free to use the toilet on the front of the plane which made for a lot more movement than usual in business class.

Is no curtain something that is here to stay? Is it the same in KLM?
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Old Aug 11, 2023, 1:01 pm
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3 weeks ago on AF, curtain was there.

Currently on a KLM flight (B737-900) and there is a curtain in between J and Y.

May be this was the new Airbus?
Or embracer?
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Old Aug 11, 2023, 1:37 pm
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Was that on A220 ?
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Old Aug 11, 2023, 1:46 pm
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I got also the « no curtain » on domestic flights.
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Old Aug 11, 2023, 2:10 pm
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How much saves this them on a 150 person flight? 2 minutes of a crew member (paid anyway, at that) + depreciation of capital costs of the curtain = a few Euro's? So a few cents per person? Hmm....
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Old Aug 11, 2023, 2:36 pm
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Plus the weight savings, leading to ongoing reduced fuel burn 😃
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Old Aug 11, 2023, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by canadavid
I got also the « no curtain » on domestic flights.
Same last weekend on CDG - TLS, the curtain was removed from the cabin.
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Old Aug 12, 2023, 4:57 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
Was that on A220 ?
Both times it was on A320s, ARN-CDG and CDG-ARN.
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Old Aug 12, 2023, 7:05 am
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Until COVID-19, the domestic flights out of CDG were part of AF's medium-haul network, alongside European and North African destinations. They are now part of AF's short-haul network, and rotations can include both domestic flights out of ORY and domestic flights out of CDG. Unfortunately, this also means that some service elements for domestic flights out of CDG are now more closely aligned with service for flights out of ORY, including catering.

Obviously, this would not account for changes on flights such as ARN-CDG, and it would be an unwelcome development if this were to be a lasting trend.
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Old Aug 14, 2023, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by JOUY31
Until COVID-19, the domestic flights out of CDG were part of AF's medium-haul network, alongside European and North African destinations. They are now part of AF's short-haul network, and rotations can include both domestic flights out of ORY and domestic flights out of CDG. Unfortunately, this also means that some service elements for domestic flights out of CDG are now more closely aligned with service for flights out of ORY, including catering.

Obviously, this would not account for changes on flights such as ARN-CDG, and it would be an unwelcome development if this were to be a lasting trend.
Air France should really land somewhere for that matter, because it looks like they are changing strategy every other year on whether to align CDG short haul on ORY services or on regular CDG medium haul services.
Let alone the often very poor English skills from some ORY crews…
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Old Aug 17, 2023, 5:28 pm
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Let alone the often very poor English skills from some ORY crews…
Learn French. Problem solved. 😜
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Old Aug 18, 2023, 9:36 am
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For Y Pax using the J WC, the curtain never stopped them anyway.

And I have never seen this enforced by FAs, on any short haul european airline, ever.

To be honest I don't care that much either. When the cart service is ongoing, it's not like there is an easy way past to the rear.
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 4:42 am
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I just flew a CDG-province flight (AF mainline / A321), and there was indeed no more « main central curtain » but only the 2 little side ones (above the seat heads). Weird…
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 4:47 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
I just flew a CDG-province flight (AF mainline / A321), and there was indeed no more « main central curtain » but only the 2 little side ones (above the seat heads). Weird…
I”m still convinced that AF does not believe in a proper domestic business class
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 4:57 am
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And just like that... the curtain falls on curtains.

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