AF vs Joon - business class
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Well CDG-MAD just gets some dried, cold crap that you would have got in Economy 10 years ago, so I am amazed to hear that about the LIS route. In fact, the MAD experience was so terrible I vowed never to flt in Euro Business again. So not worth it, not product whatsoever, really rubbish service.
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Join Date: Nov 2017
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Any ideas what to expect for breakfast, or would I be better filling up in the lounge before the flight?
Wasn't a big fan of KLs cold salmon and lettuce for breakfast.
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There is certainly no reason to avoid HOP flights. J class is obviously not the same for the hard product as it is only proposed on the larger planes like the Embraer 170 and 190 (may be CRJ1000 also?). And the config is 2-2 without blocked seat (on AF mainline the config is 3-3 with the middle seat blocked).
The catering is the same as AF mainline.
Also, there is now a very nice lounge in CDG 2G, so no reason to avoid if this is a convenient routing and acceptable price for you.
The catering is the same as AF mainline.
Also, there is now a very nice lounge in CDG 2G, so no reason to avoid if this is a convenient routing and acceptable price for you.
#11
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Does anyone have experience on the Joon A340 in the bulkhead of business class? We are two traveling CDG-CPT and are currently in the middle two bulkhead seats. We could move to row 2 in the middle instead. There are no pairs left on the side. I've searched the forum and found a couple of comments about the Air France a340 bulkhead seat possibly having more leg room and being more comfortable but wasn't sure if this was the case and if it applied to the NEV4 Joon seats as the IFE system is different and the seats are refreshed. Any thoughts?
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Does anyone have experience on the Joon A340 in the bulkhead of business class? We are two traveling CDG-CPT and are currently in the middle two bulkhead seats. We could move to row 2 in the middle instead. There are no pairs left on the side. I've searched the forum and found a couple of comments about the Air France a340 bulkhead seat possibly having more leg room and being more comfortable but wasn't sure if this was the case and if it applied to the NEV4 Joon seats as the IFE system is different and the seats are refreshed. Any thoughts?
This is slightly removed from the noise of the small forward staff area so perhaps a little quieter than the first row. Leg room was fine for me. The IFE looks like it might take a little room up in the first row as well.
You won't notice much difference in either location, especially if travelling in a pair.
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There is certainly no reason to avoid HOP flights. J class is obviously not the same for the hard product as it is only proposed on the larger planes like the Embraer 170 and 190 (may be CRJ1000 also?). And the config is 2-2 without blocked seat (on AF mainline the config is 3-3 with the middle seat blocked).
The catering is the same as AF mainline.
Also, there is now a very nice lounge in CDG 2G, so no reason to avoid if this is a convenient routing and acceptable price for you.
The catering is the same as AF mainline.
Also, there is now a very nice lounge in CDG 2G, so no reason to avoid if this is a convenient routing and acceptable price for you.
#14
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I have just come off a Joon A340 flight in J, and I deliberately chose the 2nd row of seats, middle section. As a solo traveller, this means no chance of anyone having to climb over me to get out.
This is slightly removed from the noise of the small forward staff area so perhaps a little quieter than the first row. Leg room was fine for me. The IFE looks like it might take a little room up in the first row as well.
You won't notice much difference in either location, especially if travelling in a pair.
This is slightly removed from the noise of the small forward staff area so perhaps a little quieter than the first row. Leg room was fine for me. The IFE looks like it might take a little room up in the first row as well.
You won't notice much difference in either location, especially if travelling in a pair.
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Join Date: May 2017
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It was a night flight, so I ate in the lounge beforehand and slept for nearly the whole flight! The breakfast was identical to AF as far as I could tell. They were happy to make me an espresso on request, as per AF.