AF La Premiere passengers will be able to make their connection with business jets
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AF La Premiere passengers will be able to make their connection with business jets
The young company Wijet was chosen by Air France to transport in business jet passengers of first class connecting at Roissy-CDG, in addition to the long-haul flight.
Air France has signed a commercial agreement with Wijet, whose small business jets will pick up first class passengers who request it.
After the business class, Air France will unveil in May its new first class. Alexandre de Juniac, CEO of Air France-KLM group, ensures that it will be "the best".
If the executive of the company don't want to say anything of its future development, we already know that one of the major novelties will be the possibility for the first class passengers to fly from/to Roissy-CDG airport with business jets.
Air France has indeed passed a trade agreement with the young French company Wijet, whose small business jets will pick up first passengers who request it, on the European airport of their choice. Arrived at Roissy, a limousine will come looking for these VIP passengers at the foot of the aircraft to get them at the first class lounge, or directly to the Wijet aircraft.
This fare conditions are not yet known, and this new VIP service will not start before June.
Launched in 2009, Wijet however has built its business reputation on rates relatively low, through the use of small business jets like Cessna Mustang with 4 seats, enabling it to display a flight from 2,200 euros an hour for four passengers. Not what might scare passengers who commonly pay more than EUR 10,000 for a flight in first class. Other companies like Lufthansa have also successfully experienced this option.
As for the business class, Air France hopes to upgrade its first class to one of the best. It plans to invest EUR 50 million for the new seats - number of a hundred only - entrusted to B/E Aerospace.
The question of removing the first class, which has already disappeared from many destinations, yet arose among Air France, due to its lack of profitability. "I decided that we will keep a first class, both for marketing reasons, but also because there is a market," said Alexandre de Juniac, CEO of Air France-KLM. "It pulls the quality of service up by encouraging staff to surpass themselves"
Source: Les Echos (in French)
Air France has signed a commercial agreement with Wijet, whose small business jets will pick up first class passengers who request it.
After the business class, Air France will unveil in May its new first class. Alexandre de Juniac, CEO of Air France-KLM group, ensures that it will be "the best".
If the executive of the company don't want to say anything of its future development, we already know that one of the major novelties will be the possibility for the first class passengers to fly from/to Roissy-CDG airport with business jets.
Air France has indeed passed a trade agreement with the young French company Wijet, whose small business jets will pick up first passengers who request it, on the European airport of their choice. Arrived at Roissy, a limousine will come looking for these VIP passengers at the foot of the aircraft to get them at the first class lounge, or directly to the Wijet aircraft.
This fare conditions are not yet known, and this new VIP service will not start before June.
Launched in 2009, Wijet however has built its business reputation on rates relatively low, through the use of small business jets like Cessna Mustang with 4 seats, enabling it to display a flight from 2,200 euros an hour for four passengers. Not what might scare passengers who commonly pay more than EUR 10,000 for a flight in first class. Other companies like Lufthansa have also successfully experienced this option.
As for the business class, Air France hopes to upgrade its first class to one of the best. It plans to invest EUR 50 million for the new seats - number of a hundred only - entrusted to B/E Aerospace.
The question of removing the first class, which has already disappeared from many destinations, yet arose among Air France, due to its lack of profitability. "I decided that we will keep a first class, both for marketing reasons, but also because there is a market," said Alexandre de Juniac, CEO of Air France-KLM. "It pulls the quality of service up by encouraging staff to surpass themselves"
Source: Les Echos (in French)
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Excellent. I hope it will be a success.
And it will be fun to see a few private jets at CDG, which is something we never see.
May be those regional jets will be parked at 2G But with the limo transfer, one can survive
And it will be fun to see a few private jets at CDG, which is something we never see.
May be those regional jets will be parked at 2G But with the limo transfer, one can survive
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To me, the ethos of private jet flying and scheduled commercial air flying are almost opposite. The former is about complete flexibility and tailor designing while the latter - even in luxury cabins - is about predictability and rigour. Both might be good in their own rights, but to cut a long story short, marrying caviar and chocolate is certainly not guaranteed to produce an exponentially good dish.
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Why can't these passengers just take their private jet directly to wherever it is they want to go - refuelling en route as necessary - thereby cutting out the need to connect at CDG and to travel with the plebs on a scheduled flight, even if it is La Première???
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Simply put, if you own your private Boeing, then transferring to La Premiere is out of question. But, if you can 'afford' only a small Cessna, then transferring makes sense.
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To my knowledge no business jets exist that can do, say, CDG-LAX or CDG-HKG without refuelling more than once. And anyone who can afford/rent a plane that can do it non-stop would never use a commercial airline in any case, not even the ones with the best 1st class product. I think that AF is very clearly targetting a (small) and viable market segment here.
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I think that AF is very clearly targetting a small and viable market segment here.
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I remain unconvinced, and think that other airlines have a better grasp of this small but viable market...
Lufthansa
Emirates Airline
Qatar Airways
Though it does seem largely a copy of Etihad's "Premium Connect" service - and perhaps that's where the idea came from
http://www.etihad.com/en-ie/experien...emium-connect/
And Singapore Airlines offer a similar service in the US
Singapore Airlines Jetsuite
Lufthansa
Emirates Airline
Qatar Airways
Though it does seem largely a copy of Etihad's "Premium Connect" service - and perhaps that's where the idea came from
http://www.etihad.com/en-ie/experien...emium-connect/
And Singapore Airlines offer a similar service in the US
Singapore Airlines Jetsuite
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This would be very good for some! For example, take the case of a wealthy, New York-based AF aficionado who wishes to visit his 'roots' on the Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond ...
Current arrangements (for Easter 2014) are:
-- Henry
PS: I once did JFK-EDI on an F award; after the TATL (A388) and CDG "La Premiere" experience, I have to admit that the CDG-EDI flight on a CityJet RJ-85 was rather sobering! (Even despite the personal escort from the Lounge to the aircraft steps.)
Current arrangements (for Easter 2014) are:
AF 007, JFK-CDG F (~£5,000 r/t), then CDG-AMS and AMS-GLA (I guess putting an F passenger on the Flybe CDG-(CWL)-GLA flight would be unthinkable), then a taxi into the city and a Loch Lomond Airways flight from the River Clyde in Glasgow up to Oban (scheduled) or to, say, Ardlui, on the shores of the Loch itself (private charter).
But, after being 'met and greeted' at CDG with the AF limousine service and La Premiere lounge, a Cessna to Oban/Ardlui would be a far, far better experience!-- Henry
PS: I once did JFK-EDI on an F award; after the TATL (A388) and CDG "La Premiere" experience, I have to admit that the CDG-EDI flight on a CityJet RJ-85 was rather sobering! (Even despite the personal escort from the Lounge to the aircraft steps.)
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To my knowledge no business jets exist that can do, say, CDG-LAX or CDG-HKG without refuelling more than once. And anyone who can afford/rent a plane that can do it non-stop would never use a commercial airline in any case, not even the ones with the best 1st class product. I think that AF is very clearly targetting a (small) and viable market segment here.[/QUOTE]
CDG-LAX there are at least 5 Biz jets [excluding Boeing/Airbus] currently in production that can do it depending on winds. Eastbound is much easier. CDG-HKG is also possible for 3 of them, but not westbound.
These aircraft cost around €10.000/hr for such flights though, whereas a CeSsna Mustang can connect to most of Europe at less than €2.500/hr. Unlike airline travel, these prices do not change depending on number of passengers.
CDG-LAX there are at least 5 Biz jets [excluding Boeing/Airbus] currently in production that can do it depending on winds. Eastbound is much easier. CDG-HKG is also possible for 3 of them, but not westbound.
These aircraft cost around €10.000/hr for such flights though, whereas a CeSsna Mustang can connect to most of Europe at less than €2.500/hr. Unlike airline travel, these prices do not change depending on number of passengers.
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Indeed, you highlighted my actual point. To do the AF connection trick with a Cessna jet would cost no more than, say 15000, whilst doing the whole thing in a private jet that can do it non-stop would cost at least 10 times that much.
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The target are customers who do not live/work in the Paris area and want to catch a long haul flight with the flexibilty to/from Paris they cannot have with traditional networks (medium size towns with poor TGV/airlines connection, timetables of major airlines not compatible with customers' cconstraints). 1,200 airports are served by Wijet.
This target is much more important people may think. Furthermore, it will not cannibalise AF short-medium haul network, and typically may add revenues to the P segment.
At Wijet, about 50% of users are newcomers in the business jet segment (businessmen who need to have a return flight in the same day, couples en route for a weekend to Venice, etc.).
This target is much more important people may think. Furthermore, it will not cannibalise AF short-medium haul network, and typically may add revenues to the P segment.
At Wijet, about 50% of users are newcomers in the business jet segment (businessmen who need to have a return flight in the same day, couples en route for a weekend to Venice, etc.).