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Apr 6, 2012, 10:57 pm
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random 747 question
I appologize if this seems trivial, but I haven't been able to find an answer to this anywhere.
The 744 fleet is currently configured with a smallish J cabin, economy "Seat Plus" on the upper deck, and regular economy in the rest of the plane. Was there ever a time when the 744 had a full 3 class configuration (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard economy?)
The 744 fleet is currently configured with a smallish J cabin, economy "Seat Plus" on the upper deck, and regular economy in the rest of the plane. Was there ever a time when the 744 had a full 3 class configuration (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard economy?)
Apr 7, 2012, 2:39 am
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I appologize if this seems trivial, but I haven't been able to find an answer to this anywhere.
The 744 fleet is currently configured with a smallish J cabin, economy "Seat Plus" on the upper deck, and regular economy in the rest of the plane. Was there ever a time when the 744 had a full 3 class configuration (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard economy?)
The 744 fleet is currently configured with a smallish J cabin, economy "Seat Plus" on the upper deck, and regular economy in the rest of the plane. Was there ever a time when the 744 had a full 3 class configuration (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard economy?)
For J seats, I believe it will be the NEV4 version to be installed. So this is still behind some competitors but will be a great improvement compared to the current situation. The difference in seats for J class will be minimal as they only loose 4 seats (from 40 to 36) and interestingly go to a 2-2-2 config for the rear J cabin (there was a recent thread on FT about this).
The former configuration you mentioned (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard Y) did exist but was replaced by the current one (J in the nose and just behind, Y everywhere else, including UD but the latter being a kind of Y+) when NEV J seats were introduced, so about 10 years ago.
Apr 7, 2012, 3:56 am
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Yes, you are correct : a refurbishment of the B744 AF fleet has started. Originally these planes were supposed to leave the fleet (and some are already gone), but 7 will stay longer in the fleet, justifying their refurbishment. It was clearly needed as the interior was showing its age, with J seats still being in NEV1 or 2 version, outdated IFE and no PTV in lower deck Y (except the last 3 frames received by AF).
For J seats, I believe it will be the NEV4 version to be installed. So this is still behind some competitors but will be a great improvement compared to the current situation. The difference in seats for J class will be minimal as they only loose 4 seats (from 40 to 36) and interestingly go to a 2-2-2 config for the rear J cabin (there was a recent thread on FT about this).
The former configuration you mentioned (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard Y) did exist but was replaced by the current one (J in the nose and just behind, Y everywhere else, including UD but the latter being a kind of Y+) when NEV J seats were introduced, so about 10 years ago.
For J seats, I believe it will be the NEV4 version to be installed. So this is still behind some competitors but will be a great improvement compared to the current situation. The difference in seats for J class will be minimal as they only loose 4 seats (from 40 to 36) and interestingly go to a 2-2-2 config for the rear J cabin (there was a recent thread on FT about this).
The former configuration you mentioned (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard Y) did exist but was replaced by the current one (J in the nose and just behind, Y everywhere else, including UD but the latter being a kind of Y+) when NEV J seats were introduced, so about 10 years ago.
The major improvement would be the Video system and screen.
This angled lightweight (no more separate-positioning) seat with limited space for pax (requiring to climb over thighs of neighbor) is well below most of the competition and at best similar to the few competitors who have not finished installing flat beds fleet-wide.
Apr 7, 2012, 8:00 am
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Yes, you are correct : a refurbishment of the B744 AF fleet has started. Originally these planes were supposed to leave the fleet (and some are already gone), but 7 will stay longer in the fleet, justifying their refurbishment. It was clearly needed as the interior was showing its age, with J seats still being in NEV1 or 2 version, outdated IFE and no PTV in lower deck Y (except the last 3 frames received by AF).
For J seats, I believe it will be the NEV4 version to be installed. So this is still behind some competitors but will be a great improvement compared to the current situation. The difference in seats for J class will be minimal as they only loose 4 seats (from 40 to 36) and interestingly go to a 2-2-2 config for the rear J cabin (there was a recent thread on FT about this).
The former configuration you mentioned (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard Y) did exist but was replaced by the current one (J in the nose and just behind, Y everywhere else, including UD but the latter being a kind of Y+) when NEV J seats were introduced, so about 10 years ago.
For J seats, I believe it will be the NEV4 version to be installed. So this is still behind some competitors but will be a great improvement compared to the current situation. The difference in seats for J class will be minimal as they only loose 4 seats (from 40 to 36) and interestingly go to a 2-2-2 config for the rear J cabin (there was a recent thread on FT about this).
The former configuration you mentioned (F in the nose, J right behind it and upstairs and standard Y) did exist but was replaced by the current one (J in the nose and just behind, Y everywhere else, including UD but the latter being a kind of Y+) when NEV J seats were introduced, so about 10 years ago.
I flew on an AF 744 about 10 years ago and there wasn't room in the overhead for my carryon. The FA very kindly offered to put it in the First Class storage closet. When we arrived in Paris, she had me follow her up to the nose to retrieve it - and I clearly remember going through a distinct Business Class cabin followed by First Class, where my bag was held. Good to know I'm not going crazy!
Apr 7, 2012, 9:42 am
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Sorry, but the NEV4 are not a "great improvement" over NEV2 (similar to NV1).
The major improvement would be the Video system and screen.
This angled lightweight (no more separate-positioning) seat with limited space for pax (requiring to climb over thighs of neighbor) is well below most of the competition and at best similar to the few competitors who have not finished installing flat beds fleet-wide.
The major improvement would be the Video system and screen.
This angled lightweight (no more separate-positioning) seat with limited space for pax (requiring to climb over thighs of neighbor) is well below most of the competition and at best similar to the few competitors who have not finished installing flat beds fleet-wide.
. But it is still an improvement.
Apr 8, 2012, 3:31 pm
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Sorry, but the NEV4 are not a "great improvement" over NEV2 (similar to NV1).
The major improvement would be the Video system and screen.
This angled lightweight (no more separate-positioning) seat with limited space for pax (requiring to climb over thighs of neighbor) is well below most of the competition and at best similar to the few competitors who have not finished installing flat beds fleet-wide.
The major improvement would be the Video system and screen.
This angled lightweight (no more separate-positioning) seat with limited space for pax (requiring to climb over thighs of neighbor) is well below most of the competition and at best similar to the few competitors who have not finished installing flat beds fleet-wide.
Looking forward to a "best of both worlds" seat on AF (and KL)
Last edited by Zembla; Apr 8, 2012 at 3:43 pm