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YOWkid Nov 4, 2008 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by Ken hAAmer
No, that's why I "guessed."

But let me ask you, would you rather pay 467,000 points and fees of CAD $558.35 for a last minute J ticket on YVR-SYD, or 270,000 points (220,000 if booked by December 31) and fees of USD $110.30 + USD $100 for short notice ticketing - about CAD $247 all in?

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that you'd choose the UA option, every time.

Nope, I wouldn't choose either option. The UA option sucks because they suck. Their service is not worth those points.

Instead I would be spending 100k for a J or 120K for a F ticket and <$150 CAD to fly on someone else.

YOWkid Nov 4, 2008 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by Ken hAAmer (Post 10640568)
Am I to understand that this is a fare that travel agents, for example, can use, but is unavailable to the general public?

It certainly appears that way given the "Travel Industry" notation, and the fact that I can't find a published UA "G" fare on any of several booking engines and other services that I subscribe to.

So if you're using an essentially unbookable, unpublished fare that the general public cannot use, then I think it's fair to call that a "cheat."

On the other hand, if you can show me how to book one...

I got one earlier this year from my travel agent and I have no affiliation with the travel industry.

Mozzarella Nov 5, 2008 8:04 am


Originally Posted by airbus320 (Post 10636172)
I have been Elite for ten years.

In that time frame, I have observed a slow erosion of benefits to the point where I now have come to the conclusion that seeking Elite status is not worth it for me anymore.

You get what you pay for. Ten years ago YYZ-YVR mid-week was far more expensive then it is today (without playing games like back to back or phantom city tix or MHD's) - yet the status miles are still the same.

Being in YWG I would beg to differ - you still have the best MLL in the system and that alone is worth the price of admission (many a day (and night) sitting by the fireplace in the MLL with a glass (or three) of wine).

why fly Nov 5, 2008 12:51 pm

KEN UA isnt great and telling changes in Advance? We just got 1K and now with a few months to go they change the program for next year. ???

Two programs two airlines...... different. with both + and - UA program SUCKS IMHO unless you get 1k.

Ken hAAmer Dec 11, 2008 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by Andrew Yiu (Post 10635191)
Actually not close, I can't post any details for obvious reasons but I hope others don't get misled by your post that we are going to gut the program like you said above, because we don't have any plans to.


Gut the program one benefit at a time, and you slowly gut the program.

Ken hAAmer Dec 11, 2008 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by YOWkid (Post 10640990)
Nope, I wouldn't choose either option. The UA option sucks because they suck. Their service is not worth those points.

Instead I would be spending 100k for a J or 120K for a F ticket and <$150 CAD to fly on someone else.

Hmmm... how did I miss this the first time 'round?

In any case, you would not have been spending 100K or even 120K, because the date I chose (Nov 6, if I recall correctly) was intentionally chosen because there was no *A availability on the route and dates I selected.


I got one earlier [a "g" fare] this year from my travel agent and I have no affiliation with the travel industry.
Get one after July 1, 2009 and then we'll talk.

Ken hAAmer Dec 11, 2008 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by Ken hAAmer
BTW, the details why you can't post are not obvious. If the details are known, why not make them available now?

If it's for "competitive reasons" than one can reasonably surmise that things will get worse instead of better, and that AC/AP are delaying the bad news as long as possible.

If the news is good (i.e. improvements in the program) then the competitive advantage would be to get the news out as soon as possible.

Finally, if the details aren't yet completely decided, then there's still time to "change the plans" and add in a few more cutbacks.


Originally Posted by YOWkid (Post 10636032)
...Or they can improve on it or maintain status quo...

But I guess you're always the pessimist.

No, I'm always the realist.

And my preditions for year to year cutbacks have been correct for 9 years running now.

Simon Dec 11, 2008 6:48 pm

Just not the specifics. To wit:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/10223179-post14.html


With the reduced number of upgrade certificates issued at the beginning of next year, combined with the more stingent requirements to use them, will fewer J/I seats actually matter?


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