FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Air Canada | Aeroplan (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan-375/)
-   -   Harmony goes under (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/675958-harmony-goes-under.html)

Ace Cdn Mar 28, 2007 11:41 am


Originally Posted by Hypnotize (Post 7485252)
Harmony isn't and never was a low-cost carrier. It was a high-cost, full service airline.

I found too that they usually weren't cometitive on price and I don't mean just a little bit but a lot. I was looking at flights to HNL and they were double what anyone else was offering. Now I wouldn't have minded paying a little more for nonstop out of YYC but I wasn't going to pay double the price.

tcook052 Mar 28, 2007 11:44 am


Originally Posted by shore9 (Post 7484701)
I think this just goes to prove as well that CDN's do not want high quality service, they want low fares and no frills. Something that AC is responding to quite well in terms of nickle and diming.

:rolleyes:

Or low fares and high expectations as in your case.

jral Mar 28, 2007 12:20 pm

I really feel sorry for Peter Buecking during this. Here he is, a highly respected veteran of the industry - many years with Cathay, and the founding Managing Director of the entire oneworld Alliance (the former top banana there for 5+ years)
He's been at Harmony for less than a month or something, and they throw HIM to the dogs (a.k.a. media), without any other executives there to take the heat. Where was Mr. Ho and the acting President...or at least some Sr. VP?

When Canjet dropped scheduled service, at least the owner / Chairman, Ken Rowe was there to take the heat.

WR Cage Mar 28, 2007 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by jral (Post 7485600)
I really feel sorry for Peter Buecking during this. Here he is, a highly respected veteran of the industry - many years with Cathay, and the founding Managing Director of the entire oneworld Alliance (the former top banana there for 5+ years)
He's been at Harmony for less than a month or something, and they throw HIM to the dogs (a.k.a. media), without any other executives there to take the heat. Where was Mr. Ho and the acting President...or at least some Sr. VP?

When Canjet dropped scheduled service, at least the owner / Chairman, Ken Rowe was there to take the heat.

I agree with your points, but offer the following:

- Perhaps it was Peter Buecking who finally convinced Dr Ho that the Business Plan was completely inaccurate. Dr Ho finally saw the light but did not want to announce the bad news himself. Buecking is then within his fiduciary obligations to be the point person.

- Ken Rowe did not have a recent run in with the Cops and a bag of crack. The media would be looking for answers on the Bad Boy incident and not the airline shut down.

- Buecking gets to put on his resume that he is not afraid to shut things down and make the tough difficult decisions. The previous President maybe should have tried to convince Dr Ho.

jral Mar 28, 2007 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by YEG Guy (Post 7485656)
- Ken Rowe did not have a recent run in with the Cops and a bag of crack. The media would be looking for answers on the Bad Boy incident and not the airline shut down.

- Buecking gets to put on his resume that he is not afraid to shut things down and make the tough difficult decisions. The previous President maybe should have tried to convince Dr Ho.

two VERY good points. That "top one" was an oversight on my part.

californiadreamin' Mar 28, 2007 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by shore9 (Post 7484701)
I think this just goes to prove as well that CDN's do not want high quality service, they want low fares and no frills. Something that AC is responding to quite well in terms of nickle and diming.

You're contradicting yourself.
Low fares & no frills very well equals the menu-type fee schedule you call "nickel and diming."

tcook052 Mar 28, 2007 1:11 pm

Grounded Harmony could help Canada's top airlines soar
 
http://communities.canada.com/nation...ines-soar.aspx

Harmony Airways may have been a “fringe player,” but Tuesday's announcement that the airline is cancelling all scheduled service as of April 9, 2007, should be a boon for WestJet Airlines Ltd. (WJA/TSX) and Air Canada (ACb/TSX), according to analyst Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James.

cedric Mar 28, 2007 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 7485883)
http://communities.canada.com/nation...ines-soar.aspx

Harmony Airways may have been a “fringe player,” but Tuesday's announcement that the airline is cancelling all scheduled service as of April 9, 2007, should be a boon for WestJet Airlines Ltd. (WJA/TSX) and Air Canada (ACb/TSX), according to analyst Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James.

I believe these analysts may not have had a good grasp on the demographics of the Harmony traveller. Given Harmony's fare structure and focus on high service levels, one would assume that it would have flown a larger proportion of AC regulars than WJ's target consumer. I would therefore extrapolate that AC would have more to gain than WJ. But only time will tell.

why fly Mar 28, 2007 8:08 pm


Originally Posted by cedric (Post 7487749)
I believe these analysts may not have had a good grasp on the demographics of the Harmony traveller. Given Harmony's fare structure and focus on high service levels, one would assume that it would have flown a larger proportion of AC regulars than WJ's target consumer. I would therefore extrapolate that AC would have more to gain than WJ. But only time will tell.

Either way they are not flighting for many customers... :(

shore9 Mar 28, 2007 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by acysb87 (Post 7484755)
I am Canadian and I expect high quality service.I like the J cabin and the extra space provided.I pay quite a lot of money,IMHO,for latitude pass fares.;)

You are amongst the few however. Just look at the size of AC's J cabin, it is smaller than almost all other airlines flying INTL routes.

shore9 Mar 28, 2007 11:15 pm


Originally Posted by californiadreamin' (Post 7485740)
You're contradicting yourself.
Low fares & no frills very well equals the menu-type fee schedule you call "nickel and diming."

How am I contradicting myself?

I am saying that CDN's want low fares, no frills, and AC is doing exactly that, charging for the extra's.

Spot planes Mar 28, 2007 11:57 pm

I ordered and paid for the harmonyOne six pack 2 weeks ago. I phoned Harmony to get refund yesterday. I was surprised that I can get through the phone quickly and got a real person to talk to. Refund was promised in 4 to 8 weeks. Dr. Ho is doing the honourable thing.

I like Harmony Airways and nothing bad to say about them. I use HMY for YVR-LAX until they stopped flying LAX. One time the morning departure to LAX and the plane has mechanical problem, we were quickly (within a couple of hours) put on the next departing Alaska flight to LAX. I would use HMY more for YVR-YYZ if the schedule is convenient.

SamCat Mar 29, 2007 1:23 am


Originally Posted by LeSabre74 (Post 7480018)
I wonder if this had anything to do with it:

http://iagblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/...-david-ho.html

Good heavens, Dr. Ho indeed:eek:

When did David Ho become a Doctor? I have seen many references to him in this thread as Dr. Ho which he is not. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, his dad was a tobacco mogul in the Orient and he came to Canada with a barrel of family money.
correct me if I am wrong about the Doctor thing!

taupo Mar 29, 2007 6:43 am


Originally Posted by SamCat (Post 7489639)
When did David Ho become a Doctor? I have seen many references to him in this thread as Dr. Ho which he is not. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, his dad was a tobacco mogul in the Orient and he came to Canada with a barrel of family money.
correct me if I am wrong about the Doctor thing!

SamCat, you too could be a doctor, US$249, takes 7 days, no studying or classes.
http://www.accredited-non-fake-onlin...-Doctorate.htm

tcook052 Mar 29, 2007 9:04 am


Originally Posted by SamCat (Post 7489639)
correct me if I am wrong about the Doctor thing!

If you insist:

Receiving an honorary doctor of science degree will be Russell A. Barkley, professor of psychiatry and neurology at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. Richmond alumni David Ting Kwok Ho and Marcus M. Weinstein will receive honorary doctor of commercial science degrees.

http://oncampus.richmond.edu/news/ap...mencement.html

The airline was launched in November 2002 as HMY Airways, an abbreviation for Harmony Airways. The owner, Dr. David T.K. Ho, is an energetic Canadian entrepreneur born and raised in Hong Kong who earned a doctorate degree in Commercial Science from the University of Richmond in Virginia.

http://www.harmonyairways.com/about_...any_info.shtml


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:59 pm.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.