Confirms my suspicion and those of others about Embraer metal. There was a cold day almost a month ago when most Embraer got cancelled but Airbus continued to fly. Do you think AC gets compensated for any planes that are grounded or delayed? I hope they fix their problems too b/c AC seems to be sticking with them for the long haul. Should we call it a bikini plane - good to look at but better suited for sun and sand? AC should stock up on WD-40s. :p

Correct. But there is also another thread where the same text had been posted earlier by our other friend.

Ah, yes. Still don't think it kosher.

Odd how FT postings were blamed for last year's closure of AC Horizons, which was a public website, yet nobody seemed too concerned about this disclousure from a much less public site. Nonetheless, kudos to taupo for calling it right:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577994

yup

FT postings weren't the reason why ACHorizons was shut down. All employees and retirees finally had access to the corporate portal, which allowed access behind the firewall, like every other major company in the world.

Sure was spun that way at the time.

There is nothing wrong with having some Corporate info made public if it furthers the understanding of the corporation's goals and problems that affect the public.

Sounds like a very subjective litmus test and open to a great degree of personal interpretation. You say it's okay this time but what about next time when the furtherance of the understanding of the corporation's goals isn't the priority?

At the risk of putting too fine a point on this matter, I don't feel we can pick & choose what's fine for widespread dissemination and what isn't as to me it's all internal company info from a supposedly private and confidential source.

I could agree with you if it was done randomly. I would think someone wanted that particular message to get out as it answered a lot of questions. People have been speculating for some time about the Embrauers.

Leaks are leaks and most corporations have that problem with internal communications which makes it even more important for them to keep their shareholders and customers fully and openly informed.

Granted, full and public disclousure should be encouraged but the irony to me was were some here to divulge something less than flattering about AC and quote verbatim from an employee only, private & confidential source I have no doubt the hue & cry from the apologists, for lack of a better word, would be loud and long. Take, for example, a news story like when the AC plane diverted to YWG because of smoke in the cockpit from burnt cookies and suppose that info hadn't made the mainstream press but was contained in an internal memo circulated to prevent the situation from happening again. Now suppose that internal memo was leaked to make the airline look bad. Would you feel the same way or are only embarassing or damaging leaks to be frowned upon? There's the subjective part.

To me it's like insider trading; it doesn't matter the reason you're doing it or whom you're trying to help or why, it's still insider trading.

That's a little dramatic I say.

Thanks for proving my point; subjective judgement that what some would call dramatic, others wouldn't.

Now that the door to a private and confidential AC-only source has been breached, the apologists can't complain down the road if other news "leaks" out.

True, or at least, it should be true.

But I thought we were talking about AC. And as we all know, that knowledge is utterly alien to the AC spin doctors. From what I have seen, they are totally convinced they know better (i.e. their customers are stupid) and they are going to fool everyone everytime.

From what I've seen here they are not totally wrong about the "stupidity" bit if these pages are filled with typical customers.

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