dragon888

Apparently this aircraft will soon (when?) get new truly lie flat seats as opposed to nearly lie flat seats on the Airbus 345. Is there a way to find out (easily) which type of aircraft flies on which route?

willyroo

Try:

Air Canada Aeroplan

GoldFlyer

Spring 2006. Not sure which calendar AC are using though.

back seat

A picture is here

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1120995

YYZFlyboy

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Cargoagent

Too bad you have no clue about the certification requirements for this kind of refurbishment.

dragon888

With the greatest of respect I also have no clue as to what is required to get the seats installed. It occurred to me that they would logically upgrade the long flights like asia before the shorter ones. Short of going thru the schedule and looking at each flight I was curious as whether there was some little chart (like what Empress made for seat pitchs etc) that showed which type of aircraft flies which route.
Although curiosity killed the cat it was satisfaction that brought him back.

Cargoagent

It's been explained here numerous times already but here goes.

First of all, it was in the hanger for 4 months not 1 year.

The new J seats have never been installed on this acft type in Canada. Every aspect of this installation is subject to TC inspection and certification. The same goes for the AVOD system. There are miles of wiring installed for these systems and everything must be perfectly installed and run perfectly before TC will approve it. That means that every single step must be documented as the installation progresses.

I have heard that there were some issues that were also beyond AC's control.

Once the first acft passes certification the next will be quicker as it is simply an installation process. As the crews become more familiar with the process it will become easier and faster as well.

Sebring

From the dead?


As I understand it, the supplier of either the J suite or Y seats delivered late and not according as per contract, and that sufficient seats to get the XM program going have only now started to arrive.

airbus320

This is exactly what I was told by a friend at ACTS.

It is simply a case of force majeure caused by a break in the supply chain.

While an serious aggravation for those of us awaiting the Messiah like new seats, Air Canada does not bear responsibility in this case.

YYZFlyboy

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RogueViator

Air Canada just started the XM program May/June 2006. It'll be awhile before a majority of their fleet will have the new seats. There is a picture of an A345 posted recently on Airliners.net showing the new cabin interior (they look like Virgin's Upper Deck). The 763ER's probably won't get them until 2007 (I'm just guesstimating here) unless there is a fleet reorganization.

When I asked the Gate Agent about the XM program when I flew AC last June, they didn't know what I was talking about so that could be a gauge on how painstaking the process is.

airbus320

The picture recently posted on airlines.net is of a recently completed XM 767-300...the first to roll off the refurbishment line.

The 2 AC airbus 340-500 were delivered two years ago with new lie flat seats in J and AVOD throughout the aircraft

YYZFlyboy

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airbus320

I am most grateful to AC for the good taste in the choice of colours for the XM 767-300 project.

Please contrast with the following LOT 767-300 makeover.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2B212FED