ACE Reports $168 Million 2Q Profit
#31
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Originally Posted by East-West AC
How would you allot a bonus for individuals (unionized), based on performance, for a work group of 7000-8000??? Ideally performance based bonuses would work...the logistics, not quite as easy with absentee workforces.
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Originally Posted by East-West AC
Wage re-opener in 2006, like all other unions.
#34
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Originally Posted by parnel
If the Company is making healthy profits the employees should share in the rewards.Should it be reflected in union agreements? My view is that there could be a bonus scheme that all employees share in which allows the company the flexibility to manage cash flow in harder times. The CBA locks in wages without regard to future economic situations. Of course the thugs would say that's not their problem.
This thug says it's a good idea!
Provided that there is a minimal living wage that reflects the skill, effort, responsibility and working conditions for the position, I say go for a bonus system. I've negotiated plenty of them in my over 200 sets of negotiations during the last 16 years.
And since when did a CBA ever lock in wages permantly? It's seems to me that AC has re-opened wage discussions several times in the past because of re-structuring nothwithstanding the CBA's locked in structure!
Cheers
Last edited by negotiator; Aug 5, 2005 at 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by negotiator
This thug says it's a good idea!
And since when did a CBA ever lock in wages permantly? It's seems to me that AC has re-opened wage discussions several times in the past because of re-structuring nothwithstanding the CBA's locked in structure!
And since when did a CBA ever lock in wages permantly? It's seems to me that AC has re-opened wage discussions several times in the past because of re-structuring nothwithstanding the CBA's locked in structure!
Once the platform is set it just needs to be adjusted accordingly and the thugs can go and earn an honest living.
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Originally Posted by negotiator
...Provided that there is a minimal living wage that reflects the skill, effort, responsibility and working conditions for the position, I say go for a bonus system.....
In good times they make very good money and the company has a fall back when things turn sour. It appears that there is little animosity at WS right now even though at some of the salary scales people are hurting.
#37
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Originally Posted by parnel
If the Company is making healthy profits the employees should share in the rewards.Should it be reflected in union agreements? My view is that there could be a bonus scheme that all employees share in which allows the company the flexibility to manage cash flow in harder times. The CBA locks in wages without regard to future economic situations. Of course the thugs would say that's not their problem.
now do you think Pam would go for it???
#38
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Originally Posted by shore9
well I know for a fact that some FTers here send memo's to the SE desk saying they received great service on certain flights, perhaps this could be a start. I am sure that there is a select few who go above and beyond, and in time this would get recognized.
A recognition program for employees who do receive commendation letters is in place and can definitely be improved upon.
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Originally Posted by East-West AC
Makes perfect sense to me. ^ Fair, flexible, a great incentive...
now do you think Pam would go for it???
now do you think Pam would go for it???
Pammie would turn purple if that was ever suggested by anyone in the thuggery movement. I mean try and incentivize people...are you a capitalist pig or what
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Originally Posted by East-West AC
It's fun to watch Pam go purple , which she does everytime she's interviewed in the media... That woman has NO logic.
#43
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Originally Posted by shore9
Taupo, I don't think the Union understands very much at all, of course they'll be looking for their share of the profits, maybe they should get bonuses based on personal performance, then they would be inclined to do things right.
Unfortunately, this won't happen in practice, because as part of the union, everything is based on "collective" ______________ (fill in the blanks with any relevant word). We must all be the same. We must not be different. unless we have the most seniority.
Simon
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I just had a chance to listen to the hour long conference call with analysts from yesterday. Some interesting comments from RM as usual:
1. There is no hope for getting 777's for next summer. The delivery spots have gone to a European carrier.
2. AC is not actively pursuing getting any airplanes from the used market as lease prices are too high. If one comes along fine, but they won't pay the current rates.
3. RM expects cheaper airplanes to come on the market as some un-named airlines fail due to the high fuel costs.
4. If number 3 does not happen then AC will use the incoming EMB-190's to replace A319's and 320's to release 767's from Domestic, TransBorder and Southern flying to go International with the 767. My slant is that this would mean 767-200's in this scenario. More ClubClass or the first to be refurbished is anyones guess.
5. RM still sees the 777 and 787 as the airplane for the future and is looking to the CIRB to help with getting them. He says that he has received many messages from the pilot ranks that they want the 777's.
6. Air Canada is hiring in all ranks to support the growth of the airline and the effect of the lower wage rates will force down their cost per mile even more.
1. There is no hope for getting 777's for next summer. The delivery spots have gone to a European carrier.
2. AC is not actively pursuing getting any airplanes from the used market as lease prices are too high. If one comes along fine, but they won't pay the current rates.
3. RM expects cheaper airplanes to come on the market as some un-named airlines fail due to the high fuel costs.
4. If number 3 does not happen then AC will use the incoming EMB-190's to replace A319's and 320's to release 767's from Domestic, TransBorder and Southern flying to go International with the 767. My slant is that this would mean 767-200's in this scenario. More ClubClass or the first to be refurbished is anyones guess.
5. RM still sees the 777 and 787 as the airplane for the future and is looking to the CIRB to help with getting them. He says that he has received many messages from the pilot ranks that they want the 777's.
6. Air Canada is hiring in all ranks to support the growth of the airline and the effect of the lower wage rates will force down their cost per mile even more.
#45
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Originally Posted by exAC
This is the situation that WestJet employees work under.
In good times they make very good money and the company has a fall back when things turn sour. It appears that there is little animosity at WS right now even though at some of the salary scales people are hurting.
In good times they make very good money and the company has a fall back when things turn sour. It appears that there is little animosity at WS right now even though at some of the salary scales people are hurting.