Prices of J class to Asia
Nov 12, 2023, 6:52 am
#31
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AC's CFO said that debt repayment is a key priority for them, which is objectively a good thing... the sooner they can get out of the mountain of debt they accumulated during the pandemic, the more they can invest in forward-looking projects like electric planes, plus all the usual business of refreshing the fleet.
Problem is .... that money doesn't come from anywhere except us.
Nov 12, 2023, 1:37 pm
#32
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Except it's not offer and demand. Just a reduction in offer assorted with fare increase that is expected to reduce the demand to the level of the offer.
Actually managed price by the provider, who holds you by the ... Totally managed. No relationship with a market mechanism. Shareholder love it.
Actually to a large extent triggered by the drastic reduction of flights to China.
Actually managed price by the provider, who holds you by the ... Totally managed. No relationship with a market mechanism. Shareholder love it.
Actually to a large extent triggered by the drastic reduction of flights to China.
Nov 12, 2023, 1:52 pm
#33
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Whether any of that is true or not, there is at least one completely valid reason why Air Canada is trying to maximize their fares: Debt load.
AC's CFO said that debt repayment is a key priority for them, which is objectively a good thing... the sooner they can get out of the mountain of debt they accumulated during the pandemic, the more they can invest in forward-looking projects like electric planes, plus all the usual business of refreshing the fleet.
Problem is .... that money doesn't come from anywhere except us.
AC's CFO said that debt repayment is a key priority for them, which is objectively a good thing... the sooner they can get out of the mountain of debt they accumulated during the pandemic, the more they can invest in forward-looking projects like electric planes, plus all the usual business of refreshing the fleet.
Problem is .... that money doesn't come from anywhere except us.
Nov 12, 2023, 2:28 pm
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In effect, Air Canada controls both the number of seats available and the prices. That's not a market by a standard case of managed prices.
Nov 12, 2023, 2:36 pm
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While there might be empty seats on some flights on any given day, load factors are at historic highs and it seems they are doing a better job than ever at Revenue Management...I fly A LOT and I can't think of the last time I didn't hear the GA's or the FA's announce "we have a completely full flight today"...demand is there.
Nov 12, 2023, 2:46 pm
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On a few flights I took that were actually full (mostly ex-Japan flights), they didn’t actually put that announcement.
Nov 12, 2023, 10:51 pm
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I have heard that many times, and EVERY TIME the flight was not actually full, they were close to full, but never actually full. There were about 5-10 empty Y space after the standby list was processed.
On a few flights I took that were actually full (mostly ex-Japan flights), they didn’t actually put that announcement.
On a few flights I took that were actually full (mostly ex-Japan flights), they didn’t actually put that announcement.
Nov 12, 2023, 10:59 pm
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I have heard that many times, and EVERY TIME the flight was not actually full, they were close to full, but never actually full. There were about 5-10 empty Y space after the standby list was processed.
On a few flights I took that were actually full (mostly ex-Japan flights), they didn’t actually put that announcement.
On a few flights I took that were actually full (mostly ex-Japan flights), they didn’t actually put that announcement.
Nov 15, 2023, 9:12 am
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Air Canada just announced some upgauges for routes to Asia starting next month. 787-9 -> 777-300ER in many cases. Should help keep J pricing down a bit longer.
https://media.aircanada.com/2023-11-...iversification
https://media.aircanada.com/2023-11-...iversification
Dec 1, 2023, 7:12 am
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Prices are high all over. on AA, I have a trip in J on hold from IAD to MLE for next year. Last night, the hold price was $4,200. Today, the same flights on same day now at $8,620.
I was hoping that prices would fall to <$4,000...
I have been monitoring prices to Japan for sometime now. They are not getting any more reasonable.
I was hoping that prices would fall to <$4,000...
I have been monitoring prices to Japan for sometime now. They are not getting any more reasonable.
Dec 1, 2023, 9:11 am
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Prices are high all over. on AA, I have a trip in J on hold from IAD to MLE for next year. Last night, the hold price was $4,200. Today, the same flights on same day now at $8,620.
I was hoping that prices would fall to <$4,000...
I have been monitoring prices to Japan for sometime now. They are not getting any more reasonable.
I was hoping that prices would fall to <$4,000...
I have been monitoring prices to Japan for sometime now. They are not getting any more reasonable.
Also got my wife a priority reward, same itinerary, for 121,000 points, nice deal. Has gone up quite a bit since though, almost doubled I believe.
Dec 1, 2023, 10:42 am
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I paid CAD 4780 last week from YYC to Japan next May. Now up by $500 Still, about the same I paid to ICN last year, but I had probably waited longer to book and I talked to folks who waited and paid nearly the same for economy.
Also got my wife a priority reward, same itinerary, for 121,000 points, nice deal. Has gone up quite a bit since though, almost doubled I believe.
Also got my wife a priority reward, same itinerary, for 121,000 points, nice deal. Has gone up quite a bit since though, almost doubled I believe.
Dec 1, 2023, 11:04 am
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I have come to terms that the days of low J fares from NA to East Asia is over. I recall back in early 2010, NRT and HKG were considered cheap at $5000, and $7000 was considered normal. PEK was the cheaper one at around $3500-$4000. Then starting from 2015, sub $3000 J fares started to show up. Remember back in 2015 AC still was considered a much more premium carrier on TPAC routes than it is today.
Things change, and there are many reasons behind those sub $3000 J fares back then and why they are no longer available now.
Things change, and there are many reasons behind those sub $3000 J fares back then and why they are no longer available now.
Dec 1, 2023, 3:21 pm
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Dec 2, 2023, 1:54 am
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technically it's not so much restrictions per se, as the fact that China refuses to join the Open Skies agreement with the USA. I say this as someone who has relatives back in China; I visit every few years. If there were no restrictions on flights, the offerings would satisfy the demand, and we would finally see some more sensible pricing. This applies not just to the mainland, but also to other nearby destinations (which are undoubtedly all affected by this).