Branded Fares (2019 onwards)
#61
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You need to separate your idea of brand (Comfort/Flex/Standard/Basic) from class (MUHQVWGSTLAK).
They're independent concepts, the same way you can pay $7 for a meal on any fare. It doesn't mean you're booked in "meal class", it means you paid a bit extra for something else.
They're independent concepts, the same way you can pay $7 for a meal on any fare. It doesn't mean you're booked in "meal class", it means you paid a bit extra for something else.
#62
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I agree. Until you research AC's Fare codes where it says that Flex is MUHQV and Tango is WGSTLAK. When I then click on a fare higher than Flex , I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect it to register in one of the fare classes described as crediting full miles and not be Tango. I get that it happens with AE and people have been experiencing appropriate credit. My concern is with MP when it may or may not credit. Why can't AC just be transparent and let you see the fare code while booking? Rant over and regretting allowing my wife to talk me into booking through AC again.
Or something really old, since Tango hasn't existed for a year or two.
#63
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I had to call after a schedule change and I got a verbal answer that they will credit at 100% to UA but I guess I'll find out later. The problem is that it is as clear as mud. Partner airlines haven't updated their own sites and that the fare code isn't visible through the booking process, until after the booking is made and the ticket issued. Combine with the fact that AC schedule changes happen with incredible frequency, as well as the fact that they seem to sometimes change those codes when they reschedule and it is no wonder that people get confused. I agree that frequent screen shots and hypervigilance seem to be the order of the day. Anyway I appreciate all of the responses provided so far, which have helped me see it a little more clearly. I think
#64
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It hasn't merged into the main repo yet, but if you want to grab the code directly from the pull request, you can get it here.
You still need to search on ITA with "f ac..-co" for Comfort (fl for Flex, tg for Standard, ba for Basic). This works fine with North American itineraries. I have no idea about international. But then at least the AC link gives you want you want, instead of Basic.
Edit: PR merged, so you can just use the latest version.
Last edited by canadiancow; Aug 6, 2019 at 10:30 am
#65
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I've been searching for flex fares on LHR-YYZ and finally found that in ITA Matrix specifying `F ..-cf5` returns flex fares with the same pricing as I'm finding on AC.com. Not sure how well this fare suffix applies to other international routes though.
#66
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Are M (economy) fares fully refundable ? I thought Y and B were the only refundable for economy. But I see a transborder flight with the M fare code and the fare rules says cancellations are permitted.
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Refundability is determined explicitly by the fare rules. The class is irrelevant. There are refundable M fares. There are non-refundable B fares.
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Last edited by MasterGeek; Sep 4, 2019 at 6:12 pm
#70
Join Date: Aug 2012
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I just bought a standard fare YYZBOG because flex was 60% more and I'm under OPM rules. AC website offered me PY for about the same fare difference. The details of the PY benefits did not say anything about % earning. If I took that upfare, would it still be 50% earning? Anyone done this? Thx.
#71
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I just bought a standard fare YYZBOG because flex was 60% more and I'm under OPM rules. AC website offered me PY for about the same fare difference. The details of the PY benefits did not say anything about % earning. If I took that upfare, would it still be 50% earning? Anyone done this? Thx.
#72
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YYJ-YVR-YYC, P fare with YYJ-YVR in M.
YYJ-YVR posted as U.
I suspect they're doing some mapping to handle the brands, resulting in my 100% M getting mapped to "Flex" which then gets mapped to U.
YYJ-YVR posted as U.
I suspect they're doing some mapping to handle the brands, resulting in my 100% M getting mapped to "Flex" which then gets mapped to U.
#73
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If they are capable of doing this then they should be capable of mapping YYJ-YVR to P and giving 150% miles.
#74
Join Date: Oct 2009
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AC fares to earn PQP on United mileage plus
Given the changes on the mileage plus program, I am now looking a booking sone long haul flights on AC. PQP (Premier Qualifying Points) are earned based on mileage flown and fate class of ticket.
economy MUH at 100%
discount economy QVWG at 75%
international deep discount economy STALK at 50%
domestic deep discount economy STALK at 25%
However, when I book on AC it only gives flex or tango for the above classes, and depending on route certain classes may be either flex or tango.
what I want, is up be able to see the difference on price between different fare classes. Ie I might want to book WG to get 75% versus STALK, but WGSTALK is all within tango in some cases.
economy MUH at 100%
discount economy QVWG at 75%
international deep discount economy STALK at 50%
domestic deep discount economy STALK at 25%
However, when I book on AC it only gives flex or tango for the above classes, and depending on route certain classes may be either flex or tango.
what I want, is up be able to see the difference on price between different fare classes. Ie I might want to book WG to get 75% versus STALK, but WGSTALK is all within tango in some cases.
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You can phone AC, look up fares on EF, or use something like Matrix to force AC.com to give you the fare class you want.