Complaints/rants about Aeroplan 2.0 dynamic pricing
Jul 11, 2022, 12:27 pm
#181
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Edit - answered my own question via the Wayback Machine...
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Jul 11, 2022, 1:05 pm
#182
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Jul 11, 2022, 1:08 pm
#183
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While perhaps things are skewed by the pandemic (and my optimistic view at the time), in June 2020 (under old AP) I was able to book HND-YYZ on AC in I for 2 pax in May 2021. It set me back 75k AP per pax.
Looking at June-July 2023, AC is asking at least 300,000 AP for 0-1 stop AC flights in J for TYO-YYZ. It seems slightly less feasible to rebook that trip using AC metal without paying 3x the cost.
And don't get me started on the Air Canada Points Predictor(R). The quoted estimate is 75-175k for AC metal. I'd be interested to find if there's any day that would fall into that range across the entire year.
Looking at June-July 2023, AC is asking at least 300,000 AP for 0-1 stop AC flights in J for TYO-YYZ. It seems slightly less feasible to rebook that trip using AC metal without paying 3x the cost.
And don't get me started on the Air Canada Points Predictor(R). The quoted estimate is 75-175k for AC metal. I'd be interested to find if there's any day that would fall into that range across the entire year.
Jul 11, 2022, 1:40 pm
#184
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And something has changed. It may have at times been scarce, but under the old program there was a reasonable expectation that Air Canada would be releasing at least some TATL I space to Aeroplan.
Last edited by Norcanair; Jul 11, 2022 at 1:42 pm Reason: typo
Jul 11, 2022, 1:54 pm
#185
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We can stop going in circles claiming that flights simply never would have been available under the old program.
And something has changed. It may have at times been scarce, but under the old program there was a reasonable expectation that Air Canada would be releasing at least some TATL I space to Aeroplan.
And something has changed. It may have at times been scarce, but under the old program there was a reasonable expectation that Air Canada would be releasing at least some TATL I space to Aeroplan.
And I only searched a few days on one route (this is August 23).
I just disagree with the premise of most people making the complaints. There is still cheap I-space on AC metal. And when there isn't, it would have been unavailable before, or expensive through Market Fare.
Jul 11, 2022, 2:11 pm
#186
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You’re doing better than the rest of us looking at space. I sincerely hope more such results come available because that’s not been the case on my usual routing to DUB and LHR (but LHR has often been a bit tough without foreplanning).
Jul 11, 2022, 3:17 pm
#187
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While perhaps things are skewed by the pandemic (and my optimistic view at the time), in June 2020 (under old AP) I was able to book HND-YYZ on AC in I for 2 pax in May 2021. It set me back 75k AP per pax.
Looking at June-July 2023, AC is asking at least 300,000 AP for 0-1 stop AC flights in J for TYO-YYZ. It seems slightly less feasible to rebook that trip using AC metal without paying 3x the cost.
Looking at June-July 2023, AC is asking at least 300,000 AP for 0-1 stop AC flights in J for TYO-YYZ. It seems slightly less feasible to rebook that trip using AC metal without paying 3x the cost.
now, when everyone's trying to book for peak season next year - when it seems very likely the borders will be open - the supply-demand curve is different.
Jul 12, 2022, 12:16 am
#188
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Even if a low-range redemption can be found, there’s a report on FT of AC issuing an automatic refund of points rather than offering a rebooking for an AE member, when AC cut the daytime YYZ-LHR flight.
How confident can anyone be that their redemption is “locked in," when pretty gettable seats turn scarce?
How confident can anyone be that their redemption is “locked in," when pretty gettable seats turn scarce?
Jul 12, 2022, 4:55 am
#190
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Even if a low-range redemption can be found, there’s a report on FT of AC issuing an automatic refund of points rather than offering a rebooking for an AE member, when AC cut the daytime YYZ-LHR flight.
How confident can anyone be that their redemption is “locked in," when pretty gettable seats turn scarce?
How confident can anyone be that their redemption is “locked in," when pretty gettable seats turn scarce?
I must be misunderstanding, it looks like you're suggesting that AC would cancel an existing booking if they thought they could re-sell the same seat for more.
Jul 12, 2022, 1:48 pm
#191
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Only to say there is at least one data point of AC not honouring a point booking on a route where redemptions recently have went through the roof.
Jul 26, 2022, 6:30 pm
#193
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I don't know if this is the correct thread for this, but close enough.
"Book every seat, every Air Canada flight, no restrictions"
Unless the cabin is full. They won't overbook a cabin with points. So I can pay cash on AC.com, but I can't use points on AC.com.
I guess it's not technically wrong because it's still "every" seat. But I feel like they've said "if you can book it with cash, you can book it with points" a few times.
"Book every seat, every Air Canada flight, no restrictions"
Unless the cabin is full. They won't overbook a cabin with points. So I can pay cash on AC.com, but I can't use points on AC.com.
I guess it's not technically wrong because it's still "every" seat. But I feel like they've said "if you can book it with cash, you can book it with points" a few times.
I guess a seat isn't truly available to buy with cash if it's overbooked, so that's why you can't redeem points for it?
Jul 26, 2022, 6:33 pm
#194
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The AC.com wording is "Any Air Canada seat you see available to buy in cash, you can use your points to redeem for it."
I guess a seat isn't truly available to buy with cash if it's overbooked, so that's why you can't redeem points for it?
I guess a seat isn't truly available to buy with cash if it's overbooked, so that's why you can't redeem points for it?
Aug 15, 2022, 7:40 am
#195
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Will Dynamic Pricing drop on AC metal japan routes?
I am trying to book a return flight from KIX to YYZ routing through YVR for 3 in J for July 2023 and the current prices for AP points are absurdly high (280k+ each).
Even PY is pricing at 110k minimum with no eupgrade availability.
Has anyone experienced way overpriced routes dropping in points requirements the closer you get to the intended travel date?
We cannot book with partner airlines as the most premium award seats in J or F we will find released right now is 2.
*seems all the answers are in the thread already
Even PY is pricing at 110k minimum with no eupgrade availability.
Has anyone experienced way overpriced routes dropping in points requirements the closer you get to the intended travel date?
We cannot book with partner airlines as the most premium award seats in J or F we will find released right now is 2.
*seems all the answers are in the thread already
Last edited by CHRoNiCWiLL; Aug 15, 2022 at 7:55 am