marke190

Same with YHZ-YYG/YQM/YFC/YSJ, which were all BEH routes cut pre-COVID

tracon

The short BEH routes were mainly to feed mainline flights.
XXX-YHZ-Central Canada was usually cheaper than XXX-YHZ.
An extra Maritime city - YUL DH4 flight could easily replace those 1900s.
Yes the result will be less frequency.

I often connected through YHZ on my frequent trips to YYG.
This allowed more time in J. A few extra points didn't hurt either.
Once J cabin showed up on the YYZ-YYG route, no more YHZ for me.

Adam Smith

At this point, there is no bailout, only speculation. What the government may or may not be attempting to require, we don't know.

Jazz.

The Lev

Air Canada will restart those routes using private pilots flying their Cessna 172's under contract.

Fiordland

Great, UBER Air co-branded with Air Canada.

Transpacificflyer

Describing SkyService as a "dudebro-run" airline is ridiculous and condescending. Skyservice was there when AC needed a responsible, professional group with experience. It had delivered on the reliability and cost savings AC so badly needed at the time the arrangement was made. In the event that Jazz takes over some of the Skyservice activity, I doubt that its ALPA and CFAU unions will say, sure go ahead and take on Skyservice personnel while our members are unemployed or furloughed. And BTW, Skyservice had 4 of 9 top executive positions occupied by women, so AC could take a few pointers about equity in the executive office.

AC681

Sky Regional pilots will be coming to Jazz with the planes, since both pilot groups are represented by ALPA. Presumably it'll be a similar scheme as when the Georgian pilots were amalgamated into Jazz, but those details haven't yet been released.

tracon

Are you sure?
Seniority is based on time with the company, not time with the union.

AC681

Georgian Pilots were merged into the Jazz seniority list with their Georgian date of hire as their effective date of hire at Jazz. There are at least a few holding RJ Capt. positions at Jazz. Assuming Jazz ALPA pilots approve, I'd image it'll be the same with Sky Regional pilots. Below is a link to the email sent to Sky Regional crew posted on AvCanada.

Link

Resurrection

Though apparently the cabin crew will be left out in the cold.

Transpacificflyer

The notice from SkyService to its employees states;
All of our pilots, including those on layoff, will be transferred to Jazz and will be governed by the terms of Jazz’s collective agreement, subject to agreement between Jazz and ALPA. (Bold and underlined to highlight the key condition.)

It does not matter if the pilots belong to the same union because they are two distinct bargaining units. The collective agreement that applies to Jazz does not extend to the SkyRegional employees unless the Jazz ALPA bargaining unit agrees. There is no guarantee that the SkyRegional pilots will transfer, and even if it is agreed to, because there are PSSL conditions. This is what matters, the Jazz Pilot System Seniority List (“PSSL”). Please refer to the contract definition;
Pilot System Seniority List: A list of all Pilots in the employ of Jazz Aviation LP which includes their Date of Hire and seniority number in order of seniority.
PSSL controls all activity.

From what I understand this is not an acquisition, nor a merger. It is a transfer of physical assets The collective agreement states that Seniority on the Pilot System Seniority List starts and accrues from the Date of Employment as a Pilot at Jazz. This means that unless the seniority of the Skyregional pilots is recognized and accepted by the Jazz ALPA bargaining unit, the SkyRegional pilots could start at Day 1 in the seniority pecking order. In practical terms this puts them with the lowest priority for recall to work, for work assignment and for retraining on new aircraft.

Consider that the Jazz ALPA has 1504 pilots of which 568 are currently off work supported by the Canadian taxpayer backed CEWS program. Sky Regional ALPA had 281 members of which 130 were off work. Maybe the SkyRegional pilots will be needed to fly the Embraers, if they are still in service, but I just don't see Jazz ALPA putting aside the interests of 568 members and who according to the seniority agreements, have the right to be retrained and given new assignments over new hires.
It is going to be stressful for all pilots and no one is going to be rushing anything until air travel on the SkyRegional routes returns. I expect that most SkyRegional pilots will be SOOL.

codfather

That is the question that remains to be answered. My gut feeling is no, the demand is just not there for anything more than a DH3, but who knows. The one time I flew that flight on the BEH, it was actually full, to my surprise.

YYT-YDF could definitely support a twice-daily DH4. Though if AC were smart, they would cut the YYT-YYR direct flight altogether (it has been cut temporarily due to COVID) and instead fly it as YYT-YDF-YYR so they serve the two markets together in exactly the same way that PAL does.

Aselwyn

Schedule change on April flights tonight removing Dash-8 300's from flights YEG to YXE and YYC so looks like they will be removed from the west first as i still see lots of 300's in Ontario and Quebec into the summer

bid.shader

I agree. I know that on occasion in 2019-2020 there was a milk run of sorts between YUL-YSJ-YHZ where a Dash 8 (I assume a 300) would effectively make a stopover in YSJ for people on that route. But I can't see enough demand for the YFC/YSJ-YHZ routes to justify a Q400.

172pilot

Awesome!