No show on first leg of basic ticket - return forfeited?
Jul 12, 2019, 7:15 am
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No show on first leg of basic ticket - return forfeited?
Hi folks,
My younger brother is flying to visit me in YHZ in a couple of weeks. He's on a basic economy ticket, flying from YYT to YHZ, and then the return is YHZ to YDF.
Turns out he won't need to use the YYT to YHZ leg, but still the return to YDF. If he is a no show for the YYT to YHZ leg, will his return to YDF be forfeited?
Thanks for the help!
My younger brother is flying to visit me in YHZ in a couple of weeks. He's on a basic economy ticket, flying from YYT to YHZ, and then the return is YHZ to YDF.
Turns out he won't need to use the YYT to YHZ leg, but still the return to YDF. If he is a no show for the YYT to YHZ leg, will his return to YDF be forfeited?
Thanks for the help!
Jul 12, 2019, 10:57 am
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Hi folks,
My younger brother is flying to visit me in YHZ in a couple of weeks. He's on a basic economy ticket, flying from YYT to YHZ, and then the return is YHZ to YDF.
Turns out he won't need to use the YYT to YHZ leg, but still the return to YDF. If he is a no show for the YYT to YHZ leg, will his return to YDF be forfeited?
Thanks for the help!
My younger brother is flying to visit me in YHZ in a couple of weeks. He's on a basic economy ticket, flying from YYT to YHZ, and then the return is YHZ to YDF.
Turns out he won't need to use the YYT to YHZ leg, but still the return to YDF. If he is a no show for the YYT to YHZ leg, will his return to YDF be forfeited?
Thanks for the help!
This way you will have piece of mind, and know it's taken care of.
This is unlike many international fares, which are round trip fares, and hence why missing the first leg means the entire ticket is forfeited.
Note: you cannot forfeit part of a through fare.
Jul 12, 2019, 1:16 pm
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I too theorize you could call in and forfeit the outbound half. Maybe even get credit for it. For sure they would tell whats what.
Jul 12, 2019, 1:25 pm
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Wouldn't there be a ticket change fee which might be more than the remaining value? Also, wouldn't the return reprice as a OW at current not historical fares if the ticket is changed before departure?
OTOH, if the flight is delayed, cancelled, or its schedule changes, it should be easy to get a full refund for the outbound segment only and retain the return flight.
OTOH, if the flight is delayed, cancelled, or its schedule changes, it should be easy to get a full refund for the outbound segment only and retain the return flight.
Jul 12, 2019, 1:45 pm
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Wouldn't there be a ticket change fee which might be more than the remaining value? Also, wouldn't the return reprice as a OW at current not historical fares if the ticket is changed before departure?
OTOH, if the flight is delayed, cancelled, or its schedule changes, it should be easy to get a full refund for the outbound segment only and retain the return flight.
OTOH, if the flight is delayed, cancelled, or its schedule changes, it should be easy to get a full refund for the outbound segment only and retain the return flight.
Jul 12, 2019, 1:48 pm
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Just call AC and cancel the first leg. For a basic fare you forfeit the fare. For Standard fares and above you get a credit. For domestic fares there are no return requirements. Ie. the return leg won’t be repriced. There are no cancellation fees. AC only charges change fees when you actually use the credit. There will be no credit for a basic fare anyway.
I did did the last year for my son. 5 minute call to AC.
I did did the last year for my son. 5 minute call to AC.
Jul 12, 2019, 2:12 pm
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Just call AC and cancel the first leg. For a basic fare you forfeit the fare. For Standard fares and above you get a credit. For domestic fares there are no return requirements. Ie. the return leg won’t be repriced. There are no cancellation fees. AC only charges change fees when you actually use the credit. There will be no credit for a basic fare anyway.
I did did the last year for my son. 5 minute call to AC.
I did did the last year for my son. 5 minute call to AC.
Jul 12, 2019, 3:33 pm
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Just call AC and cancel the first leg. For a basic fare you forfeit the fare. For Standard fares and above you get a credit. For domestic fares there are no return requirements. Ie. the return leg won’t be repriced. There are no cancellation fees. AC only charges change fees when you actually use the credit. There will be no credit for a basic fare anyway.
I did did the last year for my son. 5 minute call to AC.
I did did the last year for my son. 5 minute call to AC.
If you cancel the outbound, you cannot just keep it for future use. The coupons would have to be used in sequence.
So the only way to do this would be to first change your outbound to something else that happens after the inbound, then cancel that.
You can cancel the inbound and keep for future use instead of forfeiting, but that also means the rules to use that "credit" will be different.
Generally, if you forfeit the outbound of a domestic/TB, you won't have to re-price since it will still technically consider the original POS as your original city. If the agent says it has to be exchanged and re-priced, no. This is .A special situation for domestic TB only.
Sun destinations are weird. Theyre priced as one ways, but to combine on a round trip basis. It's weird. But all you need to know is that you shouldn't assume it's like TDomestic/TB just because it's "one way".
Jul 12, 2019, 6:39 pm
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It is not the pricing as one-ways which matters, it is that they are multiple segments on the same ticket. AC expressly requires that all segments be flown in the order issued. No different on other NA carriers for the most part.
Jul 12, 2019, 8:57 pm
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Airline couldn't care less if you bought a one way ticket and forfeit it. They care if you buy a RT to use one way when they arent willing to sell you a cheap one way.
Jul 12, 2019, 10:14 pm
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That may be true for international. However NA RT is basically the sum of two OW. To the point that because of tax/surcharge issues sometimes it is actually cheaper and more flexible to buy two separate tickets.
Jul 12, 2019, 11:46 pm
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SFO-YYZ
YYZ-SFO-YYZ
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YYZ-SFO
I didn't investigate the exact cause of this. I know there are certain tax issues with "Canada within ~100 miles of the border" to US flights, as well as other implications. But the savings were significant enough that I booked non-sensible round-trips for three treks to Toronto.
So all I can say is do your research when booking. Sometimes a round-trip, even within North America, is cheaper. Sometimes it isn't.