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jasdou Apr 10, 2019 6:28 am

Applying an Air Canada Bistro code to a Comfort fare
 
Using an Air Canada Bistro code gets you PR07 on your boarding pass which entitles you to some free food. Buying a Comfort fare gets you BVRG on your boarding pass which entitles you to a free alcoholic beverage. But what happens when you try to combine both?

It turns out PR07 wins.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5a04562498.jpg

However, I am left to wonder if I should still have gotten the BRVG. Would the crew have both the BVRG and PR07 noted on the PIL?

@canadiancow, I feel like this is the kind of stuff you would know!

The Lev Apr 10, 2019 7:33 am

I just went through this on a couple of recent flights where I ordered a meal tray and upgraded beverage and much to my frustration was charged $10.00 for the privilege. Sent in a complaint via the online form and got some aeroplan points for my troubles (not that I really need more of them) and much to my surprise got an e-mail from their service provider telling me they are looking in to it.

Please do as I did and send in your complaint - the more people who bring this to their attention the more likely they are to actually try to solve it.

_Clouds Apr 10, 2019 10:30 am

Currently, the BVRG code does not show up on the same spot on the PIL or on the boarding pass stub as the PR07 code, so you can have both on the PIL. I have seen that numerous times. We have been trying to get IT to get the BRVG code in a better spot on the PIL. Currently, we have to manually transcribe it to the Y FAs. Depending on the flight, it can take a while and delays the start of service in all classes.

But to answer your question, they do not overwrite each other and you would have gotten the BVRG if you asked and were entitled to it.

lcohen999 Apr 10, 2019 11:57 am

I had had BVRG not show up on a few comfort fares.

There was no free drink offered/given.

jasdou Apr 10, 2019 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by _Clouds (Post 30985713)
Currently, the BVRG code does not show up on the same spot on the PIL or on the boarding pass stub as the PR07 code, so you can have both on the PIL. I have seen that numerous times. We have been trying to get IT to get the BRVG code in a better spot on the PIL. Currently, we have to manually transcribe it to the Y FAs. Depending on the flight, it can take a while and delays the start of service in all classes.

But to answer your question, they do not overwrite each other and you would have gotten the BVRG if you asked and were entitled to it.

@_Clouds Thanks for the reply. Who has to manually transcribe the BVRG remark on the PIL? GA, SD...? This definitely seems to be hit or miss based on my own experience and that of other people in this thread.

YHZ_Flyer Apr 10, 2019 2:48 pm

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...31b9b0fba.jpeg
Just flew YXU-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-YXU this week on comfort fare with the Bistro credit. All boarding passes showed PR07/BVRG. Even the upgraded leg in J, and the flight attendant was then convinced I had a special meal.

jasdou Apr 10, 2019 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by YHZ_Flyer (Post 30986595)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...31b9b0fba.jpeg
Just flew YXU-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-YXU this week on comfort fare with the Bistro credit. All boarding passes showed PR07/BVRG. Even the upgraded leg in J, and the flight attendant was then convinced I had a special meal.

Thanks for this. I will be flying on a combination of Comfort fare and Bistro code again on Friday. I will be sure to report back.

CdnFlier Apr 10, 2019 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by _Clouds (Post 30985713)
Currently, the BVRG code does not show up on the same spot on the PIL or on the boarding pass stub as the PR07 code, so you can have both on the PIL. I have seen that numerous times. We have been trying to get IT to get the BRVG code in a better spot on the PIL. Currently, we have to manually transcribe it to the Y FAs. Depending on the flight, it can take a while and delays the start of service in all classes.


That's good news - I've been flying on comfort fares a few times and never seen the BVRG code. Once the crew just gave me a drink, but mostly it was denied. Once I tried to get a fancy tea instead of a drink and was told I had to buy booze... but that's a different issue. Once it shows up on the BP it will be much smoother.



Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 30986016)
I had had BVRG not show up on a few comfort fares.

There was no free drink offered/given.

That's consistent with my experience. I haven't seen it on three or four comfort fares (all times I've traveled on them).

Altaflyer Apr 10, 2019 4:33 pm

The PR07 apparently is not valid on the hot meal tray option. I ordered that on a flight and was told I had to pay an extra $5. Web site wording suggests it should work. Got it sorted with a glass of wine from Biz class while paying the extra $5. Was told they get in trouble if meals out don’t match $ in. The max value of a PR07 would appear to cover a hot meal tray.

cedric Apr 10, 2019 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by Altaflyer (Post 30986901)
The PR07 apparently is not valid on the hot meal tray option. I ordered that on a flight and was told I had to pay an extra $5. Web site wording suggests it should work. Got it sorted with a glass of wine from Biz class while paying the extra $5. Was told they get in trouble if meals out don’t match $ in. The max value of a PR07 would appear to cover a hot meal tray.

That's noted on the Bistro menu.

Latitude fare Customers who have purchased a Latitude fare ticket* or an Air Canada Bistro voucher are eligible for a choice of one meal item or one beverage, plus one snack item on flights over 2 hours and may upgrade to a Trio or the Hot Meal Tray for an additional $5.
What isn't noted is that the Freshii Pangoa bowl is also subject to an upcharge. It's value is $13.50 (including a snack) and the FAQ assigns the voucher to a value of $13.57, but I still had to pay the extra $5. Not sure why there's an inconsistency.

Altaflyer Apr 10, 2019 8:47 pm

Ok, thanks. Hadn’t seen that language where I was looking on line so the system was correct. Still a decent deal if you get a drink and a snack for $8.

jasdou Apr 11, 2019 3:51 am


Originally Posted by cedric (Post 30987439)
That's noted on the Bistro menu.


What isn't noted is that the Freshii Pangoa bowl is also subject to an upcharge. It's value is $13.50 (including a snack) and the FAQ assigns the voucher to a value of $13.57, but I still had to pay the extra $5. Not sure why there's an inconsistency.

Again, expect inconsistency. I have had the Pangoa bowl plus a snack item on a few occasions without any upcharge.

lcohen999 Apr 11, 2019 9:18 pm

I had BVRG on my BP today....but it did not print on any manifest when the drink cart came around

yyznomad Apr 11, 2019 11:08 pm


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 30991214)
I had BVRG on my BP today....but it did not print on any manifest when the drink cart came around

Did you show your BP and they denied you because it wasn't on the PIL?

The Lev Apr 11, 2019 11:27 pm

It seems to me that AC changed the Bistro pre-purchase, increasing the price and "value" slightly. What I find puzzling is that they seem to provide conflicting T&C in terms of whether or not the meal tray is included at the new price. It claims to be valued at $13.57 plus tax, so at $13.50 the meal tray plus snack should fit in the total value and they say get "any item" from the Bistro menu (which clearly shows the meal tray on page 5). On the other hand it does state "Fresh meal menu items include pizza, pasta, wraps and sandwiches, all from $8.85 to $11.74" - no mention of meal tray as a fresh meal item.

Excluding the meal tray and Pangoa bowl, the most expensive items on the menu are $8.95 yet they claim that items range up to $11.74. Even with tax added, $8.95 doesn't come to $11.74. Similarly they say snacks range up to $5.90 but the most expensive item I see is $5.

if i were @skybluesea I'd be tempted to launch a complaint to Transport Canada and file a lawsuit for misleading advertising. :p

skybluesea Apr 12, 2019 12:13 am

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lcohen999 Apr 12, 2019 6:18 am


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 30991422)
Did you show your BP and they denied you because it wasn't on the PIL?

Sorry, I didn't make it clear enough. A bit of west to east jet fog

She told me it happens far too often and takes people on their word (I did show my BP regardless) and got my drink.

yyznomad Jul 3, 2019 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30986617)


Thanks for this. I will be flying on a combination of Comfort fare and Bistro code again on Friday. I will be sure to report back.

@jasdou

You didn't report back in this thread regarding your Friday, April 12, 2019 flight!

I know you might think I'm crazy dredging this up for kicks, but I'm creating a full on wiki of codes for this forum, so the behaviors/BP codes exhibited in this thread are of value! :)

24left Jul 3, 2019 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 31266984)
@jasdou

You didn't report back in this thread regarding your Friday, April 12, 2019 flight!

I know you might think I'm crazy dredging this up for kicks, but I'm creating a full on wiki of codes for this forum, so the behaviors/BP codes exhibited in this thread are of value! :)

@yyznomad
@jasdou and I both bought CO fares and used Bistro codes. But our upgrades cleared so didn't think about it while having our westbound adventure in J........ of which you've seen photos.

EDIT to add: I found my BP

On the front, the cute little knife & fork icon. On the back the code for both the Bistro and the CO fare.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d83830b65b.png

yyznomad Jul 3, 2019 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 31267016)
@yyznomad

@jasdou and I both bought CO fares and used Bistro codes. But our upgrades cleared so didn't think about it while having our westbound adventure in J........ of which you've seen photos.

Oh ok. Thanks.
I hope you didn't expect me to remember that I saw your photos of this April 12, 2019 flight in question. :p

24left Jul 3, 2019 5:15 pm

I just edited my post to add the BP with codes.


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 31267034)
Oh ok. Thanks.
I hope you didn't expect me to remember that I saw your photos of this April 12, 2019 flight in question. :p

​​​​​​​Yes I did.

yyznomad Jul 3, 2019 5:18 pm


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 31267051)
I just edited my post to add the BP with codes.

Great, thanks.



Originally Posted by 24left (Post 31267051)
​​​​​​​Yes I did.

You know me well enough to know something like that ain't gonna happen (not by choice). ;)

yyznomad Jul 3, 2019 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 31267016)
@yyznomad
@jasdou and I both bought CO fares and used Bistro codes. But our upgrades cleared so didn't think about it while having our westbound adventure in J........ of which you've seen photos.

EDIT to add: I found my BP

On the front, the cute little knife & fork icon. On the back the code for both the Bistro and the CO fare.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d83830b65b.png

Thanks for the update. So this jives with one or two other posters upthread showing both codes in the remarks.
I wonder if @jasdou still only had the PR07 and no BVRG.

jasdou Jul 3, 2019 11:05 pm


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 31267064)
Thanks for the update. So this jives with one or two other posters upthread showing both codes in the remarks.
I wonder if @jasdou still only had the PR07 and no BVRG.

That whole trip ended up being messed up. There was an op-up involved, a few attempted eUpgrade and a botched same-day stand-by.

I recently threw out a stack of BPs, including the ones from that trip. That being said, I just went back to check the expired BPs in the app to confirm what I remembered. The three boarding passes of my outbound did not show anything at all in the remarks section whereas the three ones for my return did feature PR07 but no BVRG.

I discussed this with the gate agent in YQB. She seemed confused but could see the remarks on the screen, she just couldn’t get them to print. I believe she ended up telling the Rouge lead FA about my case so that I could get my stuff. However I ended up getting an opup so I didn’t chase this any further.

Anyway, it appears this is still confused and inconsistent. Surprised?

yyznomad Jul 4, 2019 7:25 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 31267869)


That whole trip ended up being messed up. There was an op-up involved, a few attempted eUpgrade and a botched same-day stand-by.

I recently threw out a stack of BPs, including the ones from that trip. That being said, I just went back to check the expired BPs in the app to confirm what I remembered. The three boarding passes of my outbound did not show anything at all in the remarks section whereas the three ones for my return did feature PR07 but no BVRG.

I discussed this with the gate agent in YQB. She seemed confused but could see the remarks on the screen, she just couldn’t get them to print. I believe she ended up telling the Rouge lead FA about my case so that I could get my stuff. However I ended up getting an opup so I didn’t chase this any further.

Anyway, it appears this is still confused and inconsistent. Surprised?

Hmm, interesting. So @24left received the correct remarks but you did not.
Should I be surprised? :p

(and that story does sound like a cluster)

screw2000 Dec 4, 2019 1:36 pm

Guess this is still an issue. Flew Rouge last week on a Comfort fare + prepaid Bistro voucher.

BP on both the outbound and return had BVRG only (no PR07).

GA saw it in the system but couldn't get it to print.

FA list didn't show the drink, but had the meal (listed as "special meal").

canopus27 Jan 25, 2020 8:24 pm

I flew two flights on a comfort fare last week, and neither one had BVRG printed on the BP.

I asked the GA about it (before they started boarding), and she checked in the system and said that she did in fact see my BVRG indication in the system, and so it was ok that there was nothing on my BP because the FA would have the information onboard.

Except she didn't. When I asked, onboard, she said there was no indication that I was on a comfort fare. I insisted, and eventually she did give me the (pre-paid) drink ... but only reluctantly, and only after a protracted discussion that I would really rather not have had.

It was déjà vu all over again on the return flight ... no BVRG on the BP, the GA said everything would be fine, the FA said it wasn't on her system, and we had to debate at length about it. sigh.

Well, I'm flying again tomorrow, also on a comfort fare, and I've just checked in. Guess what? There's no BVRG indication on this BP, either.

No idea if this was a downstream effect of Amadeus or something else ... but it seems to me that the system is broken again. I'd love to hear from others ... has anyone else flown on the comfort fare in the past month or so? Did you see BVRG on your BP?

24left Jan 25, 2020 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by canopus27 (Post 31994939)
....... I'd love to hear from others ... has anyone else flown on the comfort fare in the past month or so? Did you see BVRG on your BP?

@canopus27

Data point for the BP: This was in December. Ticket was purchased well before Amadeus migration.
Called in for the upgrade requests due to PNR and upgrade page issues.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...41bc2ce519.png

YYT82 Jan 25, 2020 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 31994989)
@canopus27

Data point for the BP: This was in December. Ticket was purchased well before Amadeus migration.
Called in for the upgrade requests due to PNR and upgrade page issues.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...41bc2ce519.png

But you were already in J, so BVRG is irrelevant. :p

canadiancow Jan 25, 2020 10:01 pm

Does it mention Comfort on the top left above the ticket number?

That might help if you pull out the Bistro menu and show the part about Comfort fares.

​​​​​

jasdou Jan 26, 2020 5:36 am


Originally Posted by canopus27 (Post 31994939)
I flew two flights on a comfort fare last week, and neither one had BVRG printed on the BP.

I asked the GA about it (before they started boarding), and she checked in the system and said that she did in fact see my BVRG indication in the system, and so it was ok that there was nothing on my BP because the FA would have the information onboard.

Except she didn't. When I asked, onboard, she said there was no indication that I was on a comfort fare. I insisted, and eventually she did give me the (pre-paid) drink ... but only reluctantly, and only after a protracted discussion that I would really rather not have had.

It was déjà vu all over again on the return flight ... no BVRG on the BP, the GA said everything would be fine, the FA said it wasn't on her system, and we had to debate at length about it. sigh.

Well, I'm flying again tomorrow, also on a comfort fare, and I've just checked in. Guess what? There's no BVRG indication on this BP, either.

No idea if this was a downstream effect of Amadeus or something else ... but it seems to me that the system is broken again. I'd love to hear from others ... has anyone else flown on the comfort fare in the past month or so? Did you see BVRG on your BP?

I flew 3 segments on a non-upgraded Comfort fare last week, none of my boarding passes showed BVRG. I did not notice it at check in and did not care about it on board so I only noticed now when I read your post and went back to check my BP.

canopus27 Jan 26, 2020 6:55 am


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 31995125)
Does it mention Comfort on the top left above the ticket number?

That might help if you pull out the Bistro menu and show the part about Comfort fares.
​​​​​

Good suggestion, but ... nope.

Last week I pulled out my phone and showed the FA the email copy of the ticket, which *does* say "comfort" .... but ... sigh .... it's a PITA, and I hate to have to argue my case like that in the first case.

I've just submitted a formal customer service ticket for this. Not really interested in the 2.37% coupon they may throw my way, but hopefully it will help get some attention paid to fixing the actual problem.

canopus27 Jan 26, 2020 12:23 pm

OK, I'm now back at the airport. This time I decided to talk to the checkin agent. Found a super helpful woman at the YYZ TB SE checkin, who would not let go of the issue. I was early, so I had time for her to work the system ... and after she made two calls to the help desk, I now have a BP that correctly says BVRG on it.

I asked if she could give me any details about the problem, but all she would tell me is that one internal system is copying the BVRG note into another field in DCS - but DCS a field that neither shows on the BP nor the manifest. She said that all I could do was continue to check the BP at checkin time, and then ask the checkin agent to call the help desk and have them fix it. She did also note that the help desk had logged this as an issue, so hopefully it will get addressed properly, too.

musicmtl Jan 26, 2020 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by YYT82 (Post 31995015)
But you were already in J, so BVRG is irrelevant. :p

Actually... I was in a similar situation, comfort fare, upgraded to J, had BVRG on boarding pass. I wanted one of those San Pellegrino lemon sodas. The FA said no, that he didn't have that. I mentioned that they were available in Y, thinking he could just grab one for me, but he said it wasn't part of the J service and I'd have to pay for it! So, the BVRG took care of that. I couldn't believe that he wouldn't just give me the darn soda, lol.

172pilot Jan 26, 2020 4:51 pm

I am flying to MEX tonight on a comfort fare. No BVRG on the BP and Comfort not indicated either. Went to the check in agent. After 30 mins on the phone with IT, she added BVRG manually to the remarks section of the BP.

DNAwizard Jan 27, 2020 7:48 am

Same issue here as well. No BVRG on recent Comfort fare flights. I used eUP to upgrade to J so did not really paid attention to my BP until I read this thread. As others, I have more upcoming flights on Comfort fare that I do not anticipate to upgrade. Hopefully, this issue will be solved sooner than later. Thanks to @canopus27, the issue has been logged and we now know that it can be fixed with a call to the Help Desk.

canadiancow Jan 27, 2020 9:39 am

This is why I only buy CO during EYW :p

DrunkCargo Jan 27, 2020 2:14 pm

No BVRG on any of my comfort fares for the last while. Getting the AQM bonus though.

Today was the first time it mattered: paid for my single scotch on a jazz flight. Do I dispute the airfare or the drink? ;) will note that FA confirmed nothing special on the PIL

YYT82 Jan 27, 2020 3:25 pm


Originally Posted by DrunkCargo (Post 32001111)
No BVRG on any of my comfort fares for the last while. Getting the AQM bonus though.

Today was the first time it mattered: paid for my single scotch on a jazz flight. Do I dispute the airfare or the drink? ;) will note that FA confirmed nothing special on the PIL

Why not dispute both? You paid for a service you did not receive, and you paid for something you were entitled to.

yyznomad Jan 27, 2020 6:32 pm

So for now, it's (free) SDC on latitude fares and free BVRG on CO fares that are advertised as part of the fare, but not being properly offered by AC?


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