Western Canada to Europe/Casablanca Flight Pass question re stopover in YYZ
Feb 28, 2019, 9:41 am
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Western Canada to Europe/Casablanca Flight Pass question re stopover in YYZ
I am wondering if you can use a western canada flight pass to Europe to fly the following
April 1 YYC-YYZ afternoon
April 2 YYZ-LHR evening
using one credit?
April 1 YYC-YYZ afternoon
April 2 YYZ-LHR evening
using one credit?
Feb 28, 2019, 3:26 pm
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However, you could do something like say:
Departs Calgary Apr 1 at 12:25 arrives in Toronto at 18:11
Departs Toronto Apr 2 at 09:00 arrives in Heathrow at 21:00
The general rule here is the maximum connection time in any one city must be under 24 hours when it's international travel for it to be considered a layover. Anything at, or exceeding 24 hours is considered a stop over and will be calculated as two one-ways.
Generally speaking, whatever you see on the FlightPass site for availability is what can be booked. There have been reports by some on the forum of calling in to AC to get the odd flight that doesn't appear with the success there being fairly limited. If you haven't bought the flight pass, you can always click the Preview Availability button for the flight pass to literally look up what the availability would be for the selected pass, routing and date of departure.
Hope that provides insight.
Safe Travels,
James
Mar 1, 2019, 2:08 pm
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If you can get the second flight on the next day, then SDC rules will allow you to move it beyond the 24 hour threshold.
So yes, it's definitely possible. But what do I know. I have way less FP experience than James, and have certainly never easily broken the 4/24 hour connection time rule on one FP credit.
So yes, it's definitely possible. But what do I know. I have way less FP experience than James, and have certainly never easily broken the 4/24 hour connection time rule on one FP credit.
Mar 1, 2019, 2:24 pm
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If you can get the second flight on the next day, then SDC rules will allow you to move it beyond the 24 hour threshold.
So yes, it's definitely possible. But what do I know. I have way less FP experience than James, and have certainly never easily broken the 4/24 hour connection time rule on one FP credit.
So yes, it's definitely possible. But what do I know. I have way less FP experience than James, and have certainly never easily broken the 4/24 hour connection time rule on one FP credit.
-James
Mar 1, 2019, 2:31 pm
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SDC'ing a domestic segment to an earlier or later flight on the same day is always possible (if there's space on the target flight). SDC is not YMMV when you're in a flexible fare class and want to move to a non-full flight on the same routing.
I'm less familiar with international SDC, but this problem can be solved with a domestic SDC.
The solution here doesn't even differentiate between FP, regular tickets, Aeroplan tickets, or any other type of ticket.
Book something reasonable with segment 1 on April 1 and segment 2 on April 2, and then SDC.
I'm less familiar with international SDC, but this problem can be solved with a domestic SDC.
The solution here doesn't even differentiate between FP, regular tickets, Aeroplan tickets, or any other type of ticket.
Book something reasonable with segment 1 on April 1 and segment 2 on April 2, and then SDC.
Mar 1, 2019, 2:33 pm
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Another thing to consider is the fare category you're purchasing the flight pass for. It'll be easier to pull what cow is saying on a latitude pass than say a Flex. The change fees would also be a lot less as well. For instance on the Weekender pass I have for domestic Canada a day of travel change is $175 (ouch). That may also weigh into your decision to change.
Do you have a particular fare you're thinking of purchasing the pass for?
-James
Do you have a particular fare you're thinking of purchasing the pass for?
-James
Mar 1, 2019, 3:36 pm
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so make the YYZ-LHR flight on Apr 2 the morning flight, and then SDC to any of the later flights even if they leave more than 24 hours after YYC-YYZ was scheduled to arrive on Apr 1 ?
Sounds great! I never considered that.
Sounds great! I never considered that.
Mar 1, 2019, 3:51 pm
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Per the terms of the Western Canada to Europe/Casablanca flight pass it would cost $100 for the same-day airport change (or $50 if online anytime) if the fare is booked in Flex with flights needing to have V fare availability. I'm unsure how SDC would work in that context (i.e. if there's an open Y seat but no V seat would pax STDBY for the flight?). Otherwise, if you're travelling on a Latitude, PY or J bucket flight pass, changes are free anytime and so long as there's availability in the respective cabin (Y, PY or J) you should be golden. That being said, the difference in flight passes between a Flex and Latitude are significant (i.e. ~$4000 for the 6 pack)
Some food for thought nonetheless.
Safe Travels,
James
Some food for thought nonetheless.
Safe Travels,
James
Mar 1, 2019, 3:54 pm
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It works with standard international fares, even allowing you to book ARN-FRA-YUL-YYZ and SDC to ARN-FRA-YYZ for example. Contingent upon fare bucket being available. And change fees (but at least it is a SDC fee rather than a much bigger fee plus fare difference). I have done it recently and it worked well. I would imagine this is a case where FP would behave the same as a regular fare, but you would be very well advised to monitor the fare bucket.
Mar 1, 2019, 3:55 pm
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James,
You obviously have no experience with SDC on AC. It's based on cabin availability on day of departure (V space not required, positive space required in the cabin). The $100 fee is correct. The change can only be made at the airport or through the concierge if you are a 100K member.
You obviously have no experience with SDC on AC. It's based on cabin availability on day of departure (V space not required, positive space required in the cabin). The $100 fee is correct. The change can only be made at the airport or through the concierge if you are a 100K member.
Mar 1, 2019, 3:56 pm
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It works with standard international fares, even allowing you to book ARN-FRA-YUL-YYZ and SDC to ARN-FRA-YYZ for example. Contingent upon fare bucket being available. And change fees (but at least it is a SDC fee rather than a much bigger fee plus fare difference). I have done it recently and it worked well. I would imagine this is a case where FP would behave the same as a regular fare, but you would be very well advised to monitor the fare bucket.
Mar 1, 2019, 3:56 pm
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Per the terms of the Western Canada to Europe/Casablanca flight pass it would cost $100 for the same-day airport change (or $50 if online anytime) if the fare is booked in Flex with flights needing to have V fare availability. I'm unsure how SDC would work in that context (i.e. if there's an open Y seat but no V seat would pax STDBY for the flight?). Otherwise, if you're travelling on a Latitude, PY or J bucket flight pass, changes are free anytime and so long as there's availability in the respective cabin (Y, PY or J) you should be golden. That being said, the difference in flight passes between a Flex and Latitude are significant (i.e. ~$4000 for the 6 pack)
Some food for thought nonetheless.
Safe Travels,
James
Some food for thought nonetheless.
Safe Travels,
James
Mar 1, 2019, 3:57 pm
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Mar 1, 2019, 3:58 pm
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Mar 1, 2019, 3:58 pm
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James,
You obviously have no experience with SDC on AC. It's based on cabin availability on day of departure (V space not required, positive space required in the cabin). The $100 fee is correct. The change can only be made at the airport or through the concierge if you are a 100K member.
You obviously have no experience with SDC on AC. It's based on cabin availability on day of departure (V space not required, positive space required in the cabin). The $100 fee is correct. The change can only be made at the airport or through the concierge if you are a 100K member.