CBC - AC employees trained to dupe pax on oversold flights
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Air Canada as a business practice can deny passage to customers who have purchased the lowest airfares offered by the airline, but the airline does not warn the customer that this is a risk specific to the airfare.
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Originally Posted by 24left
CBC published this article in 2017. Thanks to their efforts, you'd have to be living under a rock not to understand the concept of overbooking...I just don't understand the suggestion that at this point in history, consumers who fly are unaware of these things. Even if you don't read the CBC, most people have social media access.
Originally Posted by 24left
So, perhaps someone thought the public needed an exposé that focused on crying kids and missed honeymoons.
Originally Posted by 24left
I'm more interested in why CBC felt the need to publish this
Originally Posted by Sopwith
What is possibly new, but not particularly surprising, is AC actively training the agents to obfuscate the truth.
Originally Posted by Transpacificflyer
The issue here is not the denied boarding: Rather, it is the failure to disclose and to warn.
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Interesting that as part of the document upload, the CBC has published the phone number for Revenue Management OPS: 514-422-6303.
Perhaps if I need some I class availability for my next mini-RTW, I could just call up and ask?
Perhaps if I need some I class availability for my next mini-RTW, I could just call up and ask?
Just rang the number and someone picked up introducing themselves as "Revenue Management". Perhaps some social engineering could work
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Nice, RM phone number noted for future need 😏. But since Air Canada is so cagey and deceitful, I expect them to change the phone number soon. Or one of the members here (probably SE) whi has contacts within AC will snitch to them about the phone number leak
Just rang the number and someone picked up introducing themselves as "Revenue Management". Perhaps some social engineering could work
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The whole things sounds like sour grapes.
You always hear from ‘former insiders’ at companies re conspiracies, bad training, etc. At the end of the day, the former employee was likely not a good fit and was terminated or left the company voluntarily. I’m dealing with one now. They always believe there is some vast conspiracy against the customer. If it was truly as bad as they claim, employee turnover would be much higher than it is.
I’m not saying AC doesn’t oversell, and sometimes passengers get bumped. I don’t think it happens as often as people claim.
As usual, CBC focuses on Air Canada and how horrible they are. Gabor is always asked to comment on passenger rights. At the end of the day, it is always the same old story. Air Canada needs to choose different channels for the lounge TVs...
You always hear from ‘former insiders’ at companies re conspiracies, bad training, etc. At the end of the day, the former employee was likely not a good fit and was terminated or left the company voluntarily. I’m dealing with one now. They always believe there is some vast conspiracy against the customer. If it was truly as bad as they claim, employee turnover would be much higher than it is.
I’m not saying AC doesn’t oversell, and sometimes passengers get bumped. I don’t think it happens as often as people claim.
As usual, CBC focuses on Air Canada and how horrible they are. Gabor is always asked to comment on passenger rights. At the end of the day, it is always the same old story. Air Canada needs to choose different channels for the lounge TVs...
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For example, there were several GTEs on 34 YVR-YYZ this morning, but it ended up departing with 14 empty seats in Y.
GTE does not mean overbooked, and the vast majority of GTE BPs are not on overbooked flights, so any article that says "GTE means you probably won't get on the flight" is completely inaccurate.
I wonder if these people just don't understand why they were being told to let customers know that GTE doesn't mean anything bad. Because it sure sounds that way.
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AC's policy document leaked shows that the families/UM/urgent travelers are indeed to be protected from IDBs, contrary to the story claims...
There's no problem overbooking, if its done properly and the compensation policy is generous enough to mitigate "misses", in my experience, AC is remarkably stingy when it comes to comp (offering a 200 MCO when a 400$ one would do the trick).
There's no problem overbooking, if its done properly and the compensation policy is generous enough to mitigate "misses", in my experience, AC is remarkably stingy when it comes to comp (offering a 200 MCO when a 400$ one would do the trick).
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Yeah, but AC makes it easy for them by not getting ahead of the story for this and other issues. Maybe their PR / Corporate Communications people never took the class on crisis management.
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Perhaps someone in CBC has a grudge against Air Canada for being treated like any cattle and not special for being "press"
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1
Yeah, but AC makes it easy for them by not getting ahead the story for this and other issues. Maybe their PR / Corporate Communications people never took the class on crisis management.
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I'm consistently amazed how poorly the PR machine works at Air Canada, both at addressing negative stories, and also at playing catch-up to feel-good videos generated by competing airlines and even the airports they serve. Here's a department that needs a drastic overhaul, perhaps even more so than IT.
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