Survey - Milton, In or Out?
Jun 22, 2003, 6:22 am
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Survey - Milton, In or Out?
As parnel and I discussed this, I am making a new thread.
Ihave made my views know many times before - I think Milton should be COO, or effectively COO, with someone else being the public, active face at the top of Air Canada. Either that, or he should go.
The board has to go in any case, by the way.
What do you say?
Ihave made my views know many times before - I think Milton should be COO, or effectively COO, with someone else being the public, active face at the top of Air Canada. Either that, or he should go.
The board has to go in any case, by the way.
What do you say?
Jun 22, 2003, 6:54 am
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During restructuring: The question is academic. Part of the restructuring agreement with GE is that the senior management team remain in place. Like it or not, Robert Milton will be CEO until AC leaves CCAA.
Post restructuring Milton will remain for at least a year. His operatioanal expertise is needed. The public face of AC could be the chairman of the BOD. As for the board, the new shareholders will put their people in place.
Post restructuring Milton will remain for at least a year. His operatioanal expertise is needed. The public face of AC could be the chairman of the BOD. As for the board, the new shareholders will put their people in place.
Jun 22, 2003, 11:10 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by airbus320:
His operatioanal expertise is needed.</font>
His operatioanal expertise is needed.</font>
Jun 22, 2003, 11:36 am
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Out, out, out!
Many say that Milton has done a good job compared to the major US carriers, that he is ahead of the curve with re-branding etc. Hogwash! None of those carriers started out with the market dominance AC had when Milton took over.
The rebranding nonsense merely confirmd two things: that he sees no value in the Air Canada name and heritage, and rather than fix the problems at AC, he decided to play an expensive little shell game with all the brands.
Look no further than the antics Milton created with ACPA and CALPA to see that this man has no respect for his workers or any clue about labour relations.
Time to find some "raised in Canada" talent to replace him!
[This message has been edited by LeSabre74 (edited 06-22-2003).]
Many say that Milton has done a good job compared to the major US carriers, that he is ahead of the curve with re-branding etc. Hogwash! None of those carriers started out with the market dominance AC had when Milton took over.
The rebranding nonsense merely confirmd two things: that he sees no value in the Air Canada name and heritage, and rather than fix the problems at AC, he decided to play an expensive little shell game with all the brands.
Look no further than the antics Milton created with ACPA and CALPA to see that this man has no respect for his workers or any clue about labour relations.
Time to find some "raised in Canada" talent to replace him!
[This message has been edited by LeSabre74 (edited 06-22-2003).]
Jun 22, 2003, 12:01 pm
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I had posted this in the other thread, but here it is here: www.miltongottago.com
Jun 22, 2003, 12:02 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by LeSabre74:
Out, out, out!
Many say that Milton has done a good job compared to the major US carriers, that he is ahead of the curve with re-branding etc. Hogwash! None of those carriers started out with the market dominance AC had when Milton took over.
The rebranding nonsense merely confirmd two things: that he sees no value in the Air Canada name and heritage, and rather than fix the problems at AC, he decided to play an expensive little shell game with all the brands.
Look no further than the antics Milton created with ACPA and CALPA to see that this man has no respect for his workers or any clue about labour relations.
Time to find some "raised in Canada" talent to replace him!
[This message has been edited by LeSabre74 (edited 06-22-2003).]</font>
Out, out, out!
Many say that Milton has done a good job compared to the major US carriers, that he is ahead of the curve with re-branding etc. Hogwash! None of those carriers started out with the market dominance AC had when Milton took over.
The rebranding nonsense merely confirmd two things: that he sees no value in the Air Canada name and heritage, and rather than fix the problems at AC, he decided to play an expensive little shell game with all the brands.
Look no further than the antics Milton created with ACPA and CALPA to see that this man has no respect for his workers or any clue about labour relations.
Time to find some "raised in Canada" talent to replace him!
[This message has been edited by LeSabre74 (edited 06-22-2003).]</font>
Your program would leave guys like Frank Stronach of Magna and Dominc Dallesandro of Manulife without the possibility of creating the wealth for their shareholders that they have. This is not the economic world we now live in.
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Jun 22, 2003, 1:26 pm
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Time for Mr Milton to go - he crashed the airline by borrowing against assets to raise cash while his airline was bleeding
His track record is not a good one
thanks
His track record is not a good one
thanks
Jun 22, 2003, 3:02 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by parnel:
What's with the raised in Canada bit--If someone offered you a top job in the US you would not accept it because it should go to a "raised in the USA" person. And, of course you would eliminate all the talented immigrants who have come here. HMMM???
Your program would leave guys like Frank Stronach of Magna and Dominc Dallesandro of Manulife without the possibility of creating the wealth for their shareholders that they have. This is not the economic world we now live in.
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What's with the raised in Canada bit--If someone offered you a top job in the US you would not accept it because it should go to a "raised in the USA" person. And, of course you would eliminate all the talented immigrants who have come here. HMMM???
Your program would leave guys like Frank Stronach of Magna and Dominc Dallesandro of Manulife without the possibility of creating the wealth for their shareholders that they have. This is not the economic world we now live in.
[This message has been edited by parnel (edited 06-22-2003).]</font>
As to taking a job in the states, no thanks, but you often sound like you'd be happier there.
Jun 23, 2003, 3:38 pm
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Very simple - Milton must go.
He had a near monoploy and still ruined an airline. Thanks to his dis-regard for the customers, the staff have been allowed to treat pasengers as the enemy.
His staffing and business decsions are all questionable and none have improved the airline.
Anyone else would do better, but they should look for a Canadian who at least uderstand our geography and regional make-up.
The board must go and be replaced by people who are responsible, have integrity and are accountable.
The longer Milton stays, the more trouble we will all have.
He had a near monoploy and still ruined an airline. Thanks to his dis-regard for the customers, the staff have been allowed to treat pasengers as the enemy.
His staffing and business decsions are all questionable and none have improved the airline.
Anyone else would do better, but they should look for a Canadian who at least uderstand our geography and regional make-up.
The board must go and be replaced by people who are responsible, have integrity and are accountable.
The longer Milton stays, the more trouble we will all have.
Jun 23, 2003, 4:43 pm
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As to taking a job in the states, no thanks, but you often sound like you'd be happier there.
Been there done that--I am Canadian but don't reject others who come to our country and contribute.
Those who say Milton should go and bring in a new guy in the middle of restructuring have never been through one and don't realize the implications of these kinds of changes.GE was wise to ensure he and his team stayed on through it all.
Been there done that--I am Canadian but don't reject others who come to our country and contribute.
Those who say Milton should go and bring in a new guy in the middle of restructuring have never been through one and don't realize the implications of these kinds of changes.GE was wise to ensure he and his team stayed on through it all.
Jun 23, 2003, 6:34 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by msn:
GE is wise because they will own him and he's going to buy a couple hundred powerplants from them - that's all.</font>
GE is wise because they will own him and he's going to buy a couple hundred powerplants from them - that's all.</font>