Aeroplan Mixed PE/J Reward - Upgrading PE leg at the Airport?
Sep 12, 2018, 6:50 am
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Aeroplan Mixed PE/J Reward - Upgrading PE leg at the Airport?
Hi everyone,
I currently have a pair of mixed rewards tickets, with PE (N) on the outbound, and J for the return (YYZ-YVR-YYZ). The premium economy leg is booked as a priority reward, but the entire trip only charged 50K x 2 points (100K). My understanding is that it is not possible to E-Upgrade the PE leg, as an Aeroplan reward booked into N - only Aeroplan X fares are eligible.
However, I'm wondering if it is possible to be added at the airport to the J onload/upgrade list (J is pretty wide open with ~30 seats unassigned, J9), like you can from a basic mixed Y/J reward. Does anyone know if this is possible, or have experience with this?
Thanks a ton!
I currently have a pair of mixed rewards tickets, with PE (N) on the outbound, and J for the return (YYZ-YVR-YYZ). The premium economy leg is booked as a priority reward, but the entire trip only charged 50K x 2 points (100K). My understanding is that it is not possible to E-Upgrade the PE leg, as an Aeroplan reward booked into N - only Aeroplan X fares are eligible.
However, I'm wondering if it is possible to be added at the airport to the J onload/upgrade list (J is pretty wide open with ~30 seats unassigned, J9), like you can from a basic mixed Y/J reward. Does anyone know if this is possible, or have experience with this?
Thanks a ton!
Sep 12, 2018, 12:10 pm
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The Priority Award leg may be internally constituted with different fare rules than a standard redemption which isn't waitlist eligible. A variation on this came up in another thread. Doesn't hurt to ask though -- nothing ventured nothing gained.
Of course all the standard caveats of trying to travel on an AP ticket when not confirmed in a higher class of service apply, ie: they can LMU all the seats, even for trivially cheap, and you'll be left at the gate out of luck.
Of course all the standard caveats of trying to travel on an AP ticket when not confirmed in a higher class of service apply, ie: they can LMU all the seats, even for trivially cheap, and you'll be left at the gate out of luck.
Sep 12, 2018, 12:43 pm
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The Priority Award leg may be internally constituted with different fare rules than a standard redemption which isn't waitlist eligible. A variation on this came up in another thread. Doesn't hurt to ask though -- nothing ventured nothing gained.
Of course all the standard caveats of trying to travel on an AP ticket when not confirmed in a higher class of service apply, ie: they can LMU all the seats, even for trivially cheap, and you'll be left at the gate out of luck.
Of course all the standard caveats of trying to travel on an AP ticket when not confirmed in a higher class of service apply, ie: they can LMU all the seats, even for trivially cheap, and you'll be left at the gate out of luck.
Sep 12, 2018, 1:25 pm
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The Priority Award leg may be internally constituted with different fare rules than a standard redemption which isn't waitlist eligible. A variation on this came up in another thread. Doesn't hurt to ask though -- nothing ventured nothing gained.
Of course all the standard caveats of trying to travel on an AP ticket when not confirmed in a higher class of service apply, ie: they can LMU all the seats, even for trivially cheap, and you'll be left at the gate out of luck.
Of course all the standard caveats of trying to travel on an AP ticket when not confirmed in a higher class of service apply, ie: they can LMU all the seats, even for trivially cheap, and you'll be left at the gate out of luck.
Ignore pitz and keep it the way it is. Being confirmed in PY will place you way higher on the list than being confirmed in Y.
Sep 12, 2018, 1:28 pm
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Have any other travel in your schedule? YVR-YYZ isn't really great of a stand-alone redemption, but if you could tag, for example, a Florida leg onto it, or even up to Northern BC or California on the other end, that increases the value proposition considerably.
Sep 12, 2018, 1:31 pm
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Hi everyone,
I currently have a pair of mixed rewards tickets, with PE (N) on the outbound, and J for the return (YYZ-YVR-YYZ). The premium economy leg is booked as a priority reward, but the entire trip only charged 50K x 2 points (100K). My understanding is that it is not possible to E-Upgrade the PE leg, as an Aeroplan reward booked into N - only Aeroplan X fares are eligible.
However, I'm wondering if it is possible to be added at the airport to the J onload/upgrade list (J is pretty wide open with ~30 seats unassigned, J9), like you can from a basic mixed Y/J reward. Does anyone know if this is possible, or have experience with this?
Thanks a ton!
I currently have a pair of mixed rewards tickets, with PE (N) on the outbound, and J for the return (YYZ-YVR-YYZ). The premium economy leg is booked as a priority reward, but the entire trip only charged 50K x 2 points (100K). My understanding is that it is not possible to E-Upgrade the PE leg, as an Aeroplan reward booked into N - only Aeroplan X fares are eligible.
However, I'm wondering if it is possible to be added at the airport to the J onload/upgrade list (J is pretty wide open with ~30 seats unassigned, J9), like you can from a basic mixed Y/J reward. Does anyone know if this is possible, or have experience with this?
Thanks a ton!
This was a YYZ YVR flight.
Sep 12, 2018, 1:32 pm
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Didn't make anything up. It was pretty clear in that instance that the fare rules applicable to an IKK redemption were different from that of an standard "Classic" AP redemption which allows for waitlisting. Fare rules are defined by the ticket itself, not by the booking code or class of service.
Sep 12, 2018, 1:40 pm
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I can confirm this as well. Flew with a friend who was on a mixed reward last year; he was not in J on the outbound, so I asked the MLL staff if they could put him on the list given that his ticket was a J redemption. They did some checking, confirmed as much, and voila he was number one on the list and he got a J seat.
This was a YYZ YVR flight.
This was a YYZ YVR flight.
Lie-flats on the widebodies are also in demand for connecting to the Asia/Australia flights. Domestic J narrowbodies, not so much.
Sep 12, 2018, 1:47 pm
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A few posters have claimed recently that, on the waitlist (and not the upgrade list), they've not had that great of luck. The assertion that an AP ticket puts one at the top of the list has come under significant challenge. On YYZ-YVR, might be equipment dependant as well, ie: ppl will use e-upgrades and paid LMU's for the lie-flats on the widebodies, but domestic J on the A32x or 737's, bleh.
Lie-flats on the widebodies are also in demand for connecting to the Asia/Australia flights. Domestic J narrowbodies, not so much.
Lie-flats on the widebodies are also in demand for connecting to the Asia/Australia flights. Domestic J narrowbodies, not so much.
This was for a YYZ YVR on a DreamCabin widebody. This was with another FTer (recently a bit dormant), so I'll let them chime in if they feel so inclined to.
I don't disagree that LMUs and bids and other upgrade devices could severely limit anyone on a mixed reward shot at J seat. But I am saying that I've successfully executed this very thing (on behalf of another flyer, to the top of the list).
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Sep 12, 2018, 2:02 pm
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Well, without a status, on a business class classic Aeroplan redemption confirmed into PY on the YVR-YYZ leg, I appeared close to the BOTTOM (not the top) on the "upgrade" list (not "stanby" list). Many cleared ahead of me, including people with status confirmed in economy, but I remained in PY.
If you have status, your chances may be higher, since it appears that in real life, the upgrade works by status first, then by cabin.
If you have status, your chances may be higher, since it appears that in real life, the upgrade works by status first, then by cabin.
Sep 12, 2018, 2:11 pm
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Well, without a status, on a business class classic Aeroplan redemption confirmed into PY on the YVR-YYZ leg, I appeared close to the BOTTOM (not the top) on the "upgrade" list (not "stanby" list). Many cleared ahead of me, including people with status confirmed in economy, but I remained in PY.
If you have status, your chances may be higher, since it appears that in real life, the upgrade works by status first, then by cabin.
If you have status, your chances may be higher, since it appears that in real life, the upgrade works by status first, then by cabin.
For my experience above, I spoke to an MLL agent and didn't try this at check-in or elsewhere.
Sep 12, 2018, 3:22 pm
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Went through this situation last week on a reward booking. When my trip is complete I’ll have a few questions as I think something got messed up at the gate but don’t have time to get into it now...
Anyways, my dad (non-status) was confirmed in N on YYZ-LHR and I (an SE) was in Y. Phoned concierge (as email wasn’t responded to after several hours) to have us added to the list. My dad was #1 on the list and I was #2. Someone else checked in 2-3 hours before the flight (assume status pax) which bumped my dad back to #2.
Anyways, my dad (non-status) was confirmed in N on YYZ-LHR and I (an SE) was in Y. Phoned concierge (as email wasn’t responded to after several hours) to have us added to the list. My dad was #1 on the list and I was #2. Someone else checked in 2-3 hours before the flight (assume status pax) which bumped my dad back to #2.
Sep 12, 2018, 3:51 pm
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Went through this situation last week on a reward booking. When my trip is complete I’ll have a few questions as I think something got messed up at the gate but don’t have time to get into it now...
Anyways, my dad (non-status) was confirmed in N on YYZ-LHR and I (an SE) was in Y. Phoned concierge (as email wasn’t responded to after several hours) to have us added to the list. My dad was #1 on the list and I was #2 . Someone else checked in 2-3 hours before the flight (assume status pax) which bumped my dad back to #2 .
Anyways, my dad (non-status) was confirmed in N on YYZ-LHR and I (an SE) was in Y. Phoned concierge (as email wasn’t responded to after several hours) to have us added to the list. My dad was #1 on the list and I was #2 . Someone else checked in 2-3 hours before the flight (assume status pax) which bumped my dad back to #2 .
Anyone else with status, booked in PY, would have been above him.
So unless they weren't processed in the order 1 2 3, I don't see anything wrong with your scenario.