Air Canada among four major airlines who quietly changed their references to Taiwan
May 19, 2018, 11:12 am
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Many, but not all. It seems some global airline leadership has no problem putting a foot down and saying now - surprisingly without suffering any ill effects.
May 22, 2018, 11:21 am
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So, Air Canada is caving in to Beijing's demands.
Well, AC is listed a couple of times in the post today from the Associated Press.
Also, lol the line about Air China and its U.S. website.
Quote:
"The spread of “Taiwan, China” on the drop-down menus and maps of airline websites represents another victory for China’s President Xi Jinping"........
Airlines caving to Beijing despite White House protest
https://apnews.com/6f55419ce6a944968...-House-protest
Well, AC is listed a couple of times in the post today from the Associated Press.
Also, lol the line about Air China and its U.S. website.
Quote:
"The spread of “Taiwan, China” on the drop-down menus and maps of airline websites represents another victory for China’s President Xi Jinping"........
Airlines caving to Beijing despite White House protest
https://apnews.com/6f55419ce6a944968...-House-protest
May 25, 2018, 8:17 pm
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Eventually this will all come to a boil since the Taiwanese will realize how diluted HK's own identity /cultural style has become since being handed back and not want to follow that sad path. Hong Kong is well past its prime, and only when compared directly against a Tier 1 mainland city does it seem attractive.
ONE China policy is an alternative fact until Taipei schools change their textbooks.
In all, the passive nature of the citizens of both islands relegates them to what they deserve, whatever the outcome turns out to be.
it's really too bad AC caved, their China routes aren't even that profitable now that Chinese airlines have hammered the pricing to what it is. If the Canadian government /customs accepts Taiwan passports as legal docs, why should its domestic airlines treat the legal description any differently?
ONE China policy is an alternative fact until Taipei schools change their textbooks.
In all, the passive nature of the citizens of both islands relegates them to what they deserve, whatever the outcome turns out to be.
it's really too bad AC caved, their China routes aren't even that profitable now that Chinese airlines have hammered the pricing to what it is. If the Canadian government /customs accepts Taiwan passports as legal docs, why should its domestic airlines treat the legal description any differently?
That's funny how you think the One China Policy is not a policy but an opinion. Let's see what the US State Department has to say : https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htm
The 1979 U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communique switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the Joint Communique, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China. The Joint Communique also stated that the people of the United States will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan.
The United States does not support Taiwan independence.
That does not look like some casual "opinion".
Good luck thinking Taiwanese are not Chinese when they speak Mandarin Chinese, write in Traditional Chinese, celebrate the same Chinese festivals, claim the father of the country is Chinese revolutionary, Sun Yat-sen, and call themselves the Republic of China.
The 1979 U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communique switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the Joint Communique, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China. The Joint Communique also stated that the people of the United States will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan.
The United States does not support Taiwan independence.
That does not look like some casual "opinion".
Good luck thinking Taiwanese are not Chinese when they speak Mandarin Chinese, write in Traditional Chinese, celebrate the same Chinese festivals, claim the father of the country is Chinese revolutionary, Sun Yat-sen, and call themselves the Republic of China.
May 26, 2018, 3:20 am
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Eventually this will all come to a boil since the Taiwanese will realize how diluted HK's own identity /cultural style has become since being handed back and not want to follow that sad path. Hong Kong is well past its prime, and only when compared directly against a Tier 1 mainland city does it seem attractive.
ONE China policy is an alternative fact until Taipei schools change their textbooks.
In all, the passive nature of the citizens of both islands relegates them to what they deserve, whatever the outcome turns out to be.
it's really too bad AC caved, their China routes aren't even that profitable now that Chinese airlines have hammered the pricing to what it is. If the Canadian government /customs accepts Taiwan passports as legal docs, why should its domestic airlines treat the legal description any differently?
ONE China policy is an alternative fact until Taipei schools change their textbooks.
In all, the passive nature of the citizens of both islands relegates them to what they deserve, whatever the outcome turns out to be.
it's really too bad AC caved, their China routes aren't even that profitable now that Chinese airlines have hammered the pricing to what it is. If the Canadian government /customs accepts Taiwan passports as legal docs, why should its domestic airlines treat the legal description any differently?
And Hong Kong remains right at the top of the world's financial centres, a place it has kept long since the handover. The Taiwanese realize what they need to give up if they don't embrace the mainland. It's a conscious decision they make at the polls. So now they have to pay the price for it.
Your logic on profitability being a dependent variable is quite dangerous. If French-speaking countries' airlines run profitable routes to Quebec, does that justify them making an opinion on Quebec independence?
May 26, 2018, 8:05 am
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May 26, 2018, 11:11 am
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May 26, 2018, 2:20 pm
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You seriously believe the government of Canada would support China invading Taiwan?
May 26, 2018, 4:14 pm
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A mere passport does not indicate the issuer is a country. Hong Kong and Macau have their own distinct passports with their own list of visa-free countries. This is an international norm that other countries accept, but is not the rationale to start establishing Hong Kong embassies abroad, is it? Or an excuse to declare independence ..
May 26, 2018, 8:42 pm
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I'm going to assume based on your handle that you've seen a 'HK passport' and know that it says "PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA" right on the front of it. It is issued under the authority of the PRC. By accepting such documents one is in fact confirming the sovereignty of the PRC over Hong Kong. The exact opposite is true of ROC passports.
Countries accept the ROC passport also as a courtesy even though they may not recognize the legitimacy of the Taipei government.
As I've said, a passport authority does not equal to an independent country.
May 26, 2018, 8:44 pm
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Would other countries support the army invading Quebec to quell an independence revolt because they only recognize Ottawa? Don't think the 2 events depend on each other or are correlated.
May 26, 2018, 10:51 pm
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May 26, 2018, 10:55 pm
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It's not a PRC passport, and is clearly distinguished from the many many more countries around the world that accept it visa-free as a courtesy, understanding the unique political circumstances in these Special Administrative Regions. The Issuing Authority written inside the passport is not the PRC but the Hong Kong Immigration Authority. This is an example of a unique circumstance where a non-country gets its own distinct passport.
Taiwanese passports are issued under no authority other than that of the Taiwanese government. If one accepts such a document, then it is a de facto acknowledgement of the nationality contained therein and the authority of the issuing country to confirm that nationality, just as accepting an HK SAR passport is a recognition of the People's Republic of China.
May 27, 2018, 12:11 am
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Yeah... what reality do you live in? There is a reason Li Ka-Shing divested out of HKG.... Everyone knows that HKG's advantages are done and now compromised by Beijing..... Mainlanders are weary of setting up bank accounts there, CEO's don't want communist party meddling in their affairs so good luck attracting stock listings, and Shenzhen is being promoted hard to remove influence from HKG.
And last I heard, Quebecois use the same passports, and don't have to cross border controls to get to Ontario or any other province.... In fact have you even tried a land crossing from HKG to Shenzhen recently by automobile? Talk about regression.... only the driver is allowed to drive across, and all passengers now need to exit the vehicle and lineup like all the other pikers going on foot.... Way to go Communist Bureaucracy!
Taiwan has its own constitution... go ahead... try me on the Quebec thing again if you wish
There is a reason you don't see Macron asking Air Canada or Air France to change their websites to show Quebec as an independent country..... I circulate between all the regions we are debating about every 4 to 6 weeks, and been doing so for the past two decades.... Let's see who's more informed on a practical real-world basis....
And last I heard, Quebecois use the same passports, and don't have to cross border controls to get to Ontario or any other province.... In fact have you even tried a land crossing from HKG to Shenzhen recently by automobile? Talk about regression.... only the driver is allowed to drive across, and all passengers now need to exit the vehicle and lineup like all the other pikers going on foot.... Way to go Communist Bureaucracy!
Taiwan has its own constitution... go ahead... try me on the Quebec thing again if you wish
There is a reason you don't see Macron asking Air Canada or Air France to change their websites to show Quebec as an independent country..... I circulate between all the regions we are debating about every 4 to 6 weeks, and been doing so for the past two decades.... Let's see who's more informed on a practical real-world basis....A mere passport does not indicate the issuer is a country. Hong Kong and Macau have their own distinct passports with their own list of visa-free countries. This is an international norm that other countries accept, but is not the rationale to start establishing Hong Kong embassies abroad, is it? Or an excuse to declare independence ...
And Hong Kong remains right at the top of the world's financial centres, a place it has kept long since the handover. The Taiwanese realize what they need to give up if they don't embrace the mainland. It's a conscious decision they make at the polls. So now they have to pay the price for it.
Your logic on profitability being a dependent variable is quite dangerous. If French-speaking countries' airlines run profitable routes to Quebec, does that justify them making an opinion on Quebec independence?
And Hong Kong remains right at the top of the world's financial centres, a place it has kept long since the handover. The Taiwanese realize what they need to give up if they don't embrace the mainland. It's a conscious decision they make at the polls. So now they have to pay the price for it.
Your logic on profitability being a dependent variable is quite dangerous. If French-speaking countries' airlines run profitable routes to Quebec, does that justify them making an opinion on Quebec independence?
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May 28, 2018, 1:08 pm
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A different perspective on the overall view as to Hong Kong's inclusion
Well folks, we agonised long and hard before deciding to intrude into this discussion but seeing a combination of errors and misunderstandings in statements makes involvement irresistible. Firstly, no one seems to have cottoned onto the fact that while adding the "CN" suffix to Hong Kong and Macau might be perceived as legitimate, inclusion of Taiwan is a devious way of the PRC authorities attempting to categorise and equate the island nation's status to that of the two former colonial territories.
We are making no comments regarding the Taiwan inclusion and political status but offer only opinion and information regarding the former colonies of Hong Kong and Macau.
A really huge misunderstanding is how the west in general interprets and uses the word "CHINESE" with respect to persons and how the mainland authorities in PRC do. This became a real sticking point during the Hong Kong negotiations leading up to 1997. Most people born in Hong Kong for the most part would lose their British identity while only those who were ethnically-racially Chinese would become Citizens of China. Other races, notably including the Gurkhas, were in a limbo situation until their unique situation could be addressed, sometimes on an individual basis.
As to passports, we've just pulled out an "old" British Hong Kong Passport and it did have place of birth as Hong Kong and a 30 June 1997 expiry. Fortunately this for a number of reasons not relevant here did qualify for replacement (indirectly) with a full British Citizen Passport (not just BNO or British Subject status).
With Canadian citizenship also being a factor we renewed our Canadian passports once the ten-year versions became available, with for Hong Kong the place of birth being correctly shown as "Victoria, Hong Kong". For the benefit of those who may not be aware, Victoria is the main city on Hong Kong Island.
Hopefully this may help clarify some situations. We have avoided any political comment and tried to stay on track relevant to the mod's original post!
We are making no comments regarding the Taiwan inclusion and political status but offer only opinion and information regarding the former colonies of Hong Kong and Macau.
A really huge misunderstanding is how the west in general interprets and uses the word "CHINESE" with respect to persons and how the mainland authorities in PRC do. This became a real sticking point during the Hong Kong negotiations leading up to 1997. Most people born in Hong Kong for the most part would lose their British identity while only those who were ethnically-racially Chinese would become Citizens of China. Other races, notably including the Gurkhas, were in a limbo situation until their unique situation could be addressed, sometimes on an individual basis.
As to passports, we've just pulled out an "old" British Hong Kong Passport and it did have place of birth as Hong Kong and a 30 June 1997 expiry. Fortunately this for a number of reasons not relevant here did qualify for replacement (indirectly) with a full British Citizen Passport (not just BNO or British Subject status).
With Canadian citizenship also being a factor we renewed our Canadian passports once the ten-year versions became available, with for Hong Kong the place of birth being correctly shown as "Victoria, Hong Kong". For the benefit of those who may not be aware, Victoria is the main city on Hong Kong Island.
Hopefully this may help clarify some situations. We have avoided any political comment and tried to stay on track relevant to the mod's original post!