Air Canada among four major airlines who quietly changed their references to Taiwan
May 15, 2018, 8:32 am
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Air Canada among four major airlines who quietly changed their references to Taiwan
Air Canada and Malaysia Airlines have changed references to Taiwan - Business Insider
Air Canada and Malaysia Airlines have changed references to Taiwan on their websites, seemingly acquiescing to demands from China.
On April 25, China sent a letter to 36 foreign airlines pressuring them to remove references to Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau as countries on their websites and marketing materials. American Airlines, Qantas and United all received the letter, which the White House described as "Orwellian nonsense" and "part of a growing trend by the Chinese Communist Party to impose its political views" on private companies.
A Globe and Mail journalist also recently spotted Air Canada's shift in its naming of Taiwan.
Previously Air Canada's booking page listed Taipei's airport as being in "TW," the abbreviation for Taiwan also used by US and Australian airlines that confirmed receiving the letter from China's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). On Tuesday all mention of Taiwan as the country had been replaced by "CN," the abbreviation of China, with no mention of Taiwan.
Neither Malaysia Airlines or Air Canada responded to earlier requests for comment.
Air Canada and Malaysia Airlines have changed references to Taiwan on their websites, seemingly acquiescing to demands from China.
On April 25, China sent a letter to 36 foreign airlines pressuring them to remove references to Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau as countries on their websites and marketing materials. American Airlines, Qantas and United all received the letter, which the White House described as "Orwellian nonsense" and "part of a growing trend by the Chinese Communist Party to impose its political views" on private companies.
A Globe and Mail journalist also recently spotted Air Canada's shift in its naming of Taiwan.
Previously Air Canada's booking page listed Taipei's airport as being in "TW," the abbreviation for Taiwan also used by US and Australian airlines that confirmed receiving the letter from China's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). On Tuesday all mention of Taiwan as the country had been replaced by "CN," the abbreviation of China, with no mention of Taiwan.
Neither Malaysia Airlines or Air Canada responded to earlier requests for comment.
May 15, 2018, 8:35 am
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Its the cost of doing business in that region, that's all. You can be offended but clearly one area represents a significant larger economic interest to AC vs the other.
It really shouldn't be that big of a deal(well, unless you really want to make it one).. one is PRC and the other is ROC.. both ends with China.
It really shouldn't be that big of a deal(well, unless you really want to make it one).. one is PRC and the other is ROC.. both ends with China.
May 15, 2018, 8:42 am
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BTW it seems the GAP also lowered their pants under pressure from the bully.
The Canadian government also has already for quite a while. All official web sites have included the fiction "Taiwan, Province of China" for quite a while in lists of countries.
May 15, 2018, 8:44 am
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Should have just classified the cities using PRC and ROC to begin with.. It really isn't oversimplification.. the place/province/country is literally called ROC. Just because Londoners call the Underground "tube" doesn't make it tube officially.
Though find the US response to be hypocritical given what's going on in Gaza
Also this doesn't make China a bully, these airlines have a choice to not do business there.
Should have just classified the cities using PRC and ROC to begin with.. It really isn't oversimplification.. the place/province/country is literally called ROC. Just because Londoners call the Underground "tube" doesn't make it tube officially.
Though find the US response to be hypocritical given what's going on in Gaza
Also this doesn't make China a bully, these airlines have a choice to not do business there.
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May 15, 2018, 9:55 am
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Should have just classified the cities using PRC and ROC to begin with.. It really isn't oversimplification.. the place/province/country is literally called ROC. Just because Londoners call the Underground "tube" doesn't make it tube officially.
Though find the US response to be hypocritical given what's going on in Gaza
Also this doesn't make China a bully, these airlines have a choice to not do business there.
Should have just classified the cities using PRC and ROC to begin with.. It really isn't oversimplification.. the place/province/country is literally called ROC. Just because Londoners call the Underground "tube" doesn't make it tube officially.
Though find the US response to be hypocritical given what's going on in Gaza
Also this doesn't make China a bully, these airlines have a choice to not do business there.
Even before the 1890s, relationship was quite dubious.
Rest is propaganda, manipulations and exercises of fiction.
May 15, 2018, 10:50 am
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1IG21C
Taiwan seeks 'correction' after Air Canada lists Taipei as part of China
Taiwan seeks 'correction' after Air Canada lists Taipei as part of China
May 15, 2018, 11:23 am
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What does a Canadian passport show as country of birth if you were born in Taiwan? Just the city and country field left blank?
I empathize with airlines here. They can't be expected to wade into a dispute like this at the expense of their business interests. If they didn't appease China and suffered financial harm as a result, senior management would be looking for new jobs pretty quickly.
I empathize with airlines here. They can't be expected to wade into a dispute like this at the expense of their business interests. If they didn't appease China and suffered financial harm as a result, senior management would be looking for new jobs pretty quickly.
May 15, 2018, 12:01 pm
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For Taiwan, Canadian passport shows TWN as country of birth.
With passports from many countries, you can enter without applying for visa. But you'd need visa to enter China. For those countries needing visas to enter both China and Taiwan respectively, well if you only have visa to enter China, you cannot enter Taiwan. You also cannot go to Chinese embassy/consulates to apply for entry visa to Taiwan. Listing Taipei as China is incorrect, and can cause confusion to travelers.
With passports from many countries, you can enter without applying for visa. But you'd need visa to enter China. For those countries needing visas to enter both China and Taiwan respectively, well if you only have visa to enter China, you cannot enter Taiwan. You also cannot go to Chinese embassy/consulates to apply for entry visa to Taiwan. Listing Taipei as China is incorrect, and can cause confusion to travelers.
May 15, 2018, 12:16 pm
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Agree with Jack that it's just a cost of doing business. I don't want to dive into the political history of Taiwan. Taiwan issue to Chinese(both PRC and ROC), is similar to Quebeck to Canadians, Northern Ireland to British, etc. there are stories from more than one side.
Just like how AC treats its passengers, government treats companies in the same way. You can say its bully or unfair however you like. Just as passengers have the right to never fly AC again, AC has the right to never fly to China again, should they decide the rules are unfair or not. Big players set the rule, smaller players choose to follow or not play at all.
Just like how AC treats its passengers, government treats companies in the same way. You can say its bully or unfair however you like. Just as passengers have the right to never fly AC again, AC has the right to never fly to China again, should they decide the rules are unfair or not. Big players set the rule, smaller players choose to follow or not play at all.
May 15, 2018, 12:30 pm
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I'm also not going to delve into politics or address claims that this is just propaganda on China's part. I will, however, note that Canada doesn't have an embassy in Taiwan, choosing instead to call its consular presence the "Canadian Trade Office in Taipei." That presumably says something about how even Canada is tiptoeing around this delicate issue.
As AC's spokeswoman points out, they're simply complying "with all requirements in all worldwide jurisdictions to which we fly." Put differently: it's the cost of doing business, and there's arguably an awful lot more business to be done in the PRC as compared to the ROC.
Not even close. But this is best discussed elsewhere.
As AC's spokeswoman points out, they're simply complying "with all requirements in all worldwide jurisdictions to which we fly." Put differently: it's the cost of doing business, and there's arguably an awful lot more business to be done in the PRC as compared to the ROC.
Not even close. But this is best discussed elsewhere.
May 15, 2018, 1:12 pm
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Air Canada spokeswoman Isabelle Arthur said the carrier’s “policy is to comply with all requirements in all worldwide jurisdictions to which we fly.”
This settles it! Total genius.
This settles it! Total genius.
May 15, 2018, 1:49 pm
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I'm also not going to delve into politics or address claims that this is just propaganda on China's part. I will, however, note that Canada doesn't have an embassy in Taiwan, choosing instead to call its consular presence the "Canadian Trade Office in Taipei." That presumably says something about how even Canada is tiptoeing around this delicate issue.
As AC's spokeswoman points out, they're simply complying "with all requirements in all worldwide jurisdictions to which we fly." Put differently: it's the cost of doing business, and there's arguably an awful lot more business to be done in the PRC as compared to the ROC.
Not even close. But this is best discussed elsewhere.
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