Companion J fares on some TATL routes can be 2 for price of 1
Oct 7, 2017, 1:05 am
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This Companion J TATL Fare to selected destinations seems to be a surprise to even some more experienced FTers here, so I decided to investigate further using the OPs approximate dates.
Below are some examples out of YYZ around Nov 09 and returning about two weeks later.
I have shown the 1-person J fare and the 2-person J fare for both, and the average each. While the OPs YYZ-ZRH example is good other savings can be even greater. These were all done on AC's own website.
YYZ-CDG 1 person $6,888 2 people together $5,924 = $2,962 average each
YYZ-AMS 1 person $6,782 2 people together $6,194 = $3,097 average each
YYZ-FRA 1 person $7,554 2 people together $7,018 = $3,509 average each
YYZ-BRU 1 person $6,619 2 people together $6,236 = $3,118 average each
YYZ-MUC 1 person $7,330 2 people together $6,978 = $3,489 average each
YYZ-ZRH 1 person $7,153 2 people together $6,858 = $3,429 average each
Just a few examples that did work. London and Rome also worked, but ATH, DUB, LIS, MAD, TLV, VIE and WAW did not.
I wish there was something like this for TPAC!
Below are some examples out of YYZ around Nov 09 and returning about two weeks later.
I have shown the 1-person J fare and the 2-person J fare for both, and the average each. While the OPs YYZ-ZRH example is good other savings can be even greater. These were all done on AC's own website.
YYZ-CDG 1 person $6,888 2 people together $5,924 = $2,962 average each
YYZ-AMS 1 person $6,782 2 people together $6,194 = $3,097 average each
YYZ-FRA 1 person $7,554 2 people together $7,018 = $3,509 average each
YYZ-BRU 1 person $6,619 2 people together $6,236 = $3,118 average each
YYZ-MUC 1 person $7,330 2 people together $6,978 = $3,489 average each
YYZ-ZRH 1 person $7,153 2 people together $6,858 = $3,429 average each
Just a few examples that did work. London and Rome also worked, but ATH, DUB, LIS, MAD, TLV, VIE and WAW did not.
I wish there was something like this for TPAC!
For the most part companion fares are offered on business-heavy routes where AC manages to charge >$6k/pax - a price point very few leisure travellers are willing to pay for a TATL J flight.
The TPAC market is, for the most part, already very competitive, with J fares often in the $3k-$4k range, so there's less need to offer discountd fares to leisure pax.
Oct 7, 2017, 8:23 am
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Great summary!
For the most part companion fares are offered on business-heavy routes where AC manages to charge >$6k/pax - a price point very few leisure travellers are willing to pay for a TATL J flight.
The TPAC market is, for the most part, already very competitive, with J fares often in the $3k-$4k range, so there's less need to offer discountd fares to leisure pax.
For the most part companion fares are offered on business-heavy routes where AC manages to charge >$6k/pax - a price point very few leisure travellers are willing to pay for a TATL J flight.
The TPAC market is, for the most part, already very competitive, with J fares often in the $3k-$4k range, so there's less need to offer discountd fares to leisure pax.
Oct 7, 2017, 4:47 pm
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There are the fares in question:
They carry this rule:
Cancellation of one ticket is supposed to force a re-price of the other, but in reality, YMMV.
Code:
AC-ACD/EL - BUSINESS LOWEST
AC YTOZRH.AT 01MAY18 MPM 4860
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 PXRCCP13 P R 2420.00 T31OC 7/3 10/12M AT01
2 PWRCCP13 P R 2510.00 T31OC 7/3 10/12M AT01
3 PRC50 P R 5348.00 ---- 50/3 ‡‡/12M AT01
4 PRC28 P R 6144.00 ---- 28/3 ‡‡/12M AT01
5 PRC14 P R 6674.00 ---- 14/3 ‡‡/12M AT01
Code:
13.ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SECTORS IN SAME COMPARTMENT BY AT LEAST 1 ADULT PSGR. NO MORE THAN 8 ACCOMPANIED PASSENGERS PERMITTED FOR EACH ADULT PSGR.
Yes thanks for exposing this.
Minimum 10 day stay might be an obstacle for some if just on business but most leisure travellers will be OK.
Oct 7, 2017, 4:57 pm
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Oct 7, 2017, 5:23 pm
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do these TALT fares exist from LGA to JNB or CPT? How does one find these fares?
Oct 7, 2017, 7:52 pm
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The deal ex LGA is even better!
Using 2018 as a basis I tried LGA-CDG June 19 returning July 04.
The fare for "2" passengers in J is $6,344 for an average of $3,172 via YUL ($3,180 via YYZ)
Expecting the same pattern I changed to just "1" passenger alone and was shocked to see that Americans ex LGA actually get what OP was asking for. The one person travelling solo pays $3,172 LGA-YUL-CDG return in J!
Presumably this is in US$ based on the point of origin.
For the record all this was done on Air Canada's own website and a couple were cross-checked on Matrix.
The fares previously listed are only TATL to select destinations in Western Europe.
PS: For those in the GTA and Southern Ontario area, many of us grew up in the days when it was common to cross the border to BUF or even DTW for bargain airfares.
While you can't get the above AC fares J to Europe ex BUF or DTW they do actually work from ROC-CDG and CLE-CDG via YUL and/or YYZ.
So, solo AC J travellers like the OP from Toronto can drive over to Rochester and fly YYZ to CDG for a significant discount. In fact if driven to ROC the return trip might be terminated "early"! (This may not work for ZRH).
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Oct 8, 2017, 9:11 am
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Is this companion fare (for 2 passengers) also offered on other AC routes, besides TATL routes?
I am planning to fly to Australia or NZ next April. Will AC or (A)NZ offer such fare options?
I am planning to fly to Australia or NZ next April. Will AC or (A)NZ offer such fare options?
Oct 8, 2017, 10:00 am
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Most commonly I see compnanion fares offered:
1) on TATL routes (mainly, but not exclusively on business-heavy routes where regular fares are very high)
2) by ME carriers (who have been pushing those quite aggressively ex-Europe)
3) by European airlines (mainly to compete with the ME airlines)
Oct 8, 2017, 11:26 am
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I've never seen a TPAC companion fare on AC (probably for the reasons I listed above).
Most commonly I see compnanion fares offered:
1) on TATL routes (mainly, but not exclusively on business-heavy routes where regular fares are very high)
2) by ME carriers (who have been pushing those quite aggressively ex-Europe)
3) by European airlines (mainly to compete with the ME airlines)
Most commonly I see compnanion fares offered:
1) on TATL routes (mainly, but not exclusively on business-heavy routes where regular fares are very high)
2) by ME carriers (who have been pushing those quite aggressively ex-Europe)
3) by European airlines (mainly to compete with the ME airlines)
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Oct 8, 2017, 12:03 pm
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(For various purposes, India falls into the Europe / Middle East / Indian Subcontinent / Africa category, not the Asia category)
Oct 8, 2017, 2:16 pm
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These "CP" fares which have the rule called "Accompanied travel" are the latest invention from the LH fares/rates team. It has been a bit of a mess. They came into play last year.
Firstly - on an itinerary where I am going to have to split the pnr and change the return for my other half (as planned from booking date) - we ended up with a CP fare - which is a mess and will require some manual (or divine) intervention to fix.
Second - AC itself issued to me a CP fare for myself - one pax - - completely without me asking - it just came up in rates and they priced it that way. May have been a manual error but - I guess like Monopoly "Agent error in your favour - - collect a CP fare for 1 pax". I only even found out 4-5 months after ticket issuance by chance.
These are pretty good prices so if you can get them and fly on them - the pricing is good. These are not the same as like two-for-one - where one pax pays and the other has zero fare - it is actually a published fare - both pax pay same but must be booked in PNR of 2 or more.
And . @TemboOne - The reason this is only TATL is that LH is the driver on these and this is part of the TATL JV pricing.
Happy flying.
Firstly - on an itinerary where I am going to have to split the pnr and change the return for my other half (as planned from booking date) - we ended up with a CP fare - which is a mess and will require some manual (or divine) intervention to fix.
Second - AC itself issued to me a CP fare for myself - one pax - - completely without me asking - it just came up in rates and they priced it that way. May have been a manual error but - I guess like Monopoly "Agent error in your favour - - collect a CP fare for 1 pax". I only even found out 4-5 months after ticket issuance by chance.
These are pretty good prices so if you can get them and fly on them - the pricing is good. These are not the same as like two-for-one - where one pax pays and the other has zero fare - it is actually a published fare - both pax pay same but must be booked in PNR of 2 or more.
And . @TemboOne - The reason this is only TATL is that LH is the driver on these and this is part of the TATL JV pricing.
Happy flying.
Oct 8, 2017, 2:45 pm
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See link for more details:
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/co...-ventures.html
This is alluded in the previous post.
Oct 22, 2017, 3:00 pm
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AC Fares Changed?
Just received a "heads-up" alert that my previous October 6th chart (post #29 ) of fares is obsolete as AC has changed things - hopefully now more logical.
Just did a test reservation YYZ-CDG dep 11 June ret 28 June for one and two passengers in J on the non-stop flights.
The 1 person fare is now $4,074 while the 2 persons fare is now $5,974 for an average of $2,987 each.
Haven't checked other destinations but it now seems the single traveller is getting a better more fair deal - while a couple can still "save" $1,000 each!
Just did a test reservation YYZ-CDG dep 11 June ret 28 June for one and two passengers in J on the non-stop flights.
The 1 person fare is now $4,074 while the 2 persons fare is now $5,974 for an average of $2,987 each.
Haven't checked other destinations but it now seems the single traveller is getting a better more fair deal - while a couple can still "save" $1,000 each!