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Old Feb 28, 2016, 7:46 am
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Vancouver-Singapore?

I read somewhere that Air Canada was contemplating flying from Vancouver to Singapore on the 787. Has anyone heard when (or if) this route may start? Any other thoughts would be appreciated as well.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 8:54 am
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That would be sweet. With Air Canada earning 2/3rds of their revenue from international flights I am sure they are looking at all routes.

In1985 they flew the 747 Combi YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN. If they do YVR-SIN this would be nice.
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It will be nice. My understanding is they still have landing rights in SIN. It is just that they don't have a route that works.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 9:56 am
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Would be great if SQ and AC would just cooperate on the route.

Is it SQ who performs AC heavy maintenance at SIN?
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by HerpaYvr
That would be sweet. With Air Canada earning 2/3rds of their revenue from international flights I am sure they are looking at all routes.

In1985 they flew the 747 Combi YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN. If they do YVR-SIN this would be nice.
Perhaps they can extend the DAC route extension to SIN?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...nverified.html

YYZ-DEL-DAC-SIN should be a big winner.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Dorian
Would be great if SQ and AC would just cooperate on the route.
Yes, but wouldn't that imply that at least one of the two actually operates flights between SIN and Canada? SQ hasn't flown into YVR since 2009 (via ICN at that time).

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Old Feb 28, 2016, 5:12 pm
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Would the 788 have the necessary range to do YVR – SIN??
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ACflyerDE
Yes, but wouldn't that imply that at least one of the two actually operates flights between SIN and Canada? SQ hasn't flown into YVR since 2009 (via ICN at that time).
Well....obviously.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by capebretonboy
Would the 788 have the necessary range to do YVR – SIN??
Should be able to do it. 210 miles more than YVR-SYD. 788 should be slightly more capable than the 789, although AC might need to get the MTOW bumped up on the frames they're flying for such a route.

The real question is whether or not there's enough business traffic. Because the people heading to MNL/CGK/DPS/KUL, etc. will not pay the $3000-$4000 roundtrip break-even fares readily.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 6:15 pm
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788 should be slightly more capable than the 789
Huh? Pretty sure the 789 has a longer range.

I think YYZ-DEL typically spec the 789 as the 788 doesn't have the range to do it without potential weight restrictions.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 6:23 pm
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From the AC website:

788 range 14 200 to 15 200 km (8823 to 9444 miles)
789 range 15,372 km (9551 miles)
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by islandcub1
From the AC website:

788 range 14 200 to 15 200 km (8823 to 9444 miles)
789 range 15,372 km (9551 miles)
Doesn't make any sense given they have the same fuel capacity, and the 788 is clearly a lighter frame. I believe the 789's MTOW was delivered a bit higher, but no reason the 788 shouldn't be (paper)-upgradeable should AC (or any other operator) need the capability and want to pay Boeing for the amendment.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by pitz
Doesn't make any sense given they have the same fuel capacity, and the 788 is clearly a lighter frame. I believe the 789's MTOW was delivered a bit higher, but no reason the 788 shouldn't be (paper)-upgradeable should AC (or any other operator) need the capability and want to pay Boeing for the amendment.
Per Wikipedia - Range per typical confirguration

787-8: 7,355 nmi
787-9: 7,635 nmi
787-10: 6,430 nmi

They do have the same fuel capacity so I assume that something else is causing the difference. I believe they have slightly different engines, so it could be that.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Eternity000
Per Wikipedia - Range per typical confirguration

787-8: 7,355 nmi
787-9: 7,635 nmi
787-10: 6,430 nmi

They do have the same fuel capacity so I assume that something else is causing the difference. I believe they have slightly different engines, so it could be that.
As I stated previously, likely just paperwork. An airline that doesn't anticipate 'needing' the higher weight won't order a higher-than-necessary weight than required. On account of landing fees and navigational surcharges that are based on weight. No point in paying for a MTOW that won't be used in the missions a plane is expected to fly.

A number of AC's aircraft have been upgraded from their originally delivered weights "on paper", including some A319s (ie: the frames that fly to LHR, and maybe some Rouge'd frames), the non-HD-as-delivered 777-300ERs, probably the A330s, and likely others.
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Old Feb 28, 2016, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by transportprof
Perhaps they can extend the DAC route extension to SIN?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...nverified.html

YYZ-DEL-DAC-SIN should be a big winner.
LMFAO, and who will clean the toilets inflight?
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