Harbingers of failure?
Jan 1, 2016, 10:18 pm
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Data? This is more a general knowledge with regards to direct flights. A direct flight has a +2K value to me over 1 or 2 stop on trans pacific flight. Yes, not every flyer is willing to pay, 5K, but some are willing to pay Dble. Not everyone has a company travel budget that limits fares costs.
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I asked
How do you know that?
Do you have AC and other airline data to support that?
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Regardless of your assumption that "Most high value customers will always take the direct flight", not every flyer will pay the $5,022 - whether they are self-funded or employees with a company who has a travel budget.
Do you have AC and other airline data to support that?
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Regardless of your assumption that "Most high value customers will always take the direct flight", not every flyer will pay the $5,022 - whether they are self-funded or employees with a company who has a travel budget.
You do not represent everyone who flies.
I do not represent everyone who flies.
And yet, here we are and you still have not answered the question, how do YOU know that "Most high value customers will always take the direct flight"?
And if you have time, feel free to share your definition of a "high-value customer".
Jan 1, 2016, 10:53 pm
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Jan 2, 2016, 1:44 am
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Well I would match your definition 100% ( well I bought 2 flex fares this year - the rest of the 67 segments were latitude and J ) and yet I do not travel how you suggested all the time.
Jan 2, 2016, 1:46 am
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Jan 2, 2016, 4:25 am
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Data? This is more a general knowledge with regards to direct flights. A direct flight has a +2K value to me over 1 or 2 stop on trans pacific flight. Yes, not every flyer is willing to pay, 5K, but some are willing to pay Dble. Not everyone has a company travel budget that limits fares costs.
1. Canada does not have very many super wealthy people, despite claims to the contrary from those who wish to point at wealth disparities in Canada (look at the Stats Can data) and;
2. Those who are not price sensitive will usually spend their money on a first class airfare or a higher end airline. Sorry to say, but AC isn't the airline of choice for the Gulf's or Asia's rich kids studying in Canada. If price isn't a factor, prospective customers will opt for something more in line with their expectations, especially since they couldn't care less about FF miles. Who needs it when one is flying in premium business or First?
In respect to your comment about travel budgets, yes, I certainly can agree that there are a few company owners who won't quibble. However, based upon my own experience and observation, I believe that they are few and far between. We shall just have to agree to disagree as to the size of the premium product consumer segment at AC who are not price sensitive.
Jan 2, 2016, 7:24 am
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And for those who are not price sensitive Air Canada should be raising prices, perhaps significantly.
And for those who are not price sensitive Air Canada should be raising prices, perhaps significantly.
Jan 2, 2016, 8:28 pm
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Jan 2, 2016, 11:41 pm
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why would someone suffer AC poor service for $2k more, rather than have a connection on a great airline? I guess each person has to make there own personal choices.
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Jan 3, 2016, 4:30 am
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Why am I flying AC J later today, because it was direct, times better than the alternatives, but most importantly cheapest. I like my money.
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Jan 3, 2016, 6:37 am
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If you could read you would have found that this article had nothing to do with failing businesses. Rather it noted research that suggests certain purchasers, typically early adopters, can sometimes indicate products that will not go over well with the general public.
Given the oft repeated claim that FTers are completely different that "normal" flyers, it seemed there may be potential that some FTers might indicate less than successful products.
Given the oft repeated claim that FTers are completely different that "normal" flyers, it seemed there may be potential that some FTers might indicate less than successful products.
My main observation of the difference between FT posters and the broader frequent flying public is the different value placed on nonstops. In the broader marketplace it is a massive point of differentiation, on here not so much.
Jan 3, 2016, 9:57 am
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I found that story very credible. This happens all the time in tech startups, it's a major pitfall of investing in them. The business model required to find and support customers can often require the price to be higher than a select few will pay.
My main observation of the difference between FT posters and the broader frequent flying public is the different value placed on nonstops. In the broader marketplace it is a massive point of differentiation, on here not so much.
My main observation of the difference between FT posters and the broader frequent flying public is the different value placed on nonstops. In the broader marketplace it is a massive point of differentiation, on here not so much.
In the past couple of years, I have tried to get a stop over. On the TPAC from BKK or SIN to YUL or YYZ it can be a rough flight even if I can get a direct from TYO or HKG to YYZ. It means getting up at an awful early hour, which means I had to go to bed at an early hour and lost a night of fun in Bangkok with my crew. I rather like getting in to AMS or FRA early in the evening, having a nice shower and 8 hours of sleep in a real bed and starting out again. I actually look for flights on my way home where I can take a break like that. I find I don't have jet lag. Amazing what age does with one's perspective.
Also, I stopped being an obsessive about non stops after reading some of the FFs experiences here. No idea why I was so scared of a stopover.
Jan 3, 2016, 10:09 am
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....I actually look for flights on my way home where I can take a break like that. I find I don't have jet lag. Amazing what age does with one's perspective. Also, I stopped being an obsessive about non stops after reading some of the FFs experiences here. No idea why I was so scared of a stopover.
Also, I stopped being an obsessive about non stops after reading some of the FFs experiences here. No idea why I was so scared of a stopover.Exactly. I could not understand why I was being challenged by the other poster when I am not the only one who does stopovers and sees a benefit to them, for a variety of reasons.
Jan 3, 2016, 10:14 am
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I had a bit of a laugh at myself on your non stops point. There was a time when I really wanted to get to wherever I was going asap. What did I need to get there so fast for? Another 12 hours didn't make a difference except that I could use it to rest up properly.
In the past couple of years, I have tried to get a stop over. On the TPAC from BKK or SIN to YUL or YYZ it can be a rough flight even if I can get a direct from TYO or HKG to YYZ. It means getting up at an awful early hour, which means I had to go to bed at an early hour and lost a night of fun in Bangkok with my crew. I rather like getting in to AMS or FRA early in the evening, having a nice shower and 8 hours of sleep in a real bed and starting out again. I actually look for flights on my way home where I can take a break like that. I find I don't have jet lag. Amazing what age does with one's perspective. Also, I stopped being an obsessive about non stops after reading some of the FFs experiences here. No idea why I was so scared of a stopover.
In the past couple of years, I have tried to get a stop over. On the TPAC from BKK or SIN to YUL or YYZ it can be a rough flight even if I can get a direct from TYO or HKG to YYZ. It means getting up at an awful early hour, which means I had to go to bed at an early hour and lost a night of fun in Bangkok with my crew. I rather like getting in to AMS or FRA early in the evening, having a nice shower and 8 hours of sleep in a real bed and starting out again. I actually look for flights on my way home where I can take a break like that. I find I don't have jet lag. Amazing what age does with one's perspective.
Also, I stopped being an obsessive about non stops after reading some of the FFs experiences here. No idea why I was so scared of a stopover.
Jan 3, 2016, 5:56 pm
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You're challenging most HVC prefer, and often pay extra, for non-stop offerings over connections?
Jan 3, 2016, 6:19 pm
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